Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'context': 0.07; 'source.': 0.07; 'subject:bug': 0.07; 'bug.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:report': 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'project,': 0.12; 'assume': 0.14; 'bugs.': 0.16; 'finds': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'hits.': 0.16; 'hmm.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'report?': 0.16; 'sadly': 0.16; 'simpson': 0.16; 'there?': 0.16; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'reporting': 0.29; 'wonder': 0.29; 'gives': 0.31; 'page.': 0.31; 'you?': 0.31; 'becoming': 0.31; 'bug?': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'ago': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'subject: (': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'described': 0.36; 'leads': 0.36; 'searching': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'project': 0.37; 'subject:new': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'quote': 0.39; 'reported': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'address.': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'profile': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'address': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; '8bit%:10': 0.64; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'subject:account': 0.65; 'media': 0.66; 'contact': 0.67; '8bit%:21': 0.69; 'hour': 0.70; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'account.': 0.80; 'encounters': 0.84; 'given.': 0.84; 'persistent': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'who,': 0.84; 'corporations': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: You must register a new account to report a bug (was: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:17:44 +1100 References: <20150316025301.GA94576@cskk.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jQMujevqO0jC16QBdoaXVDHfrsk= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426486657 news.xs4all.nl 2976 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55810 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87508 Cameron Simpson writes: > To quote Graham Dumpleton: > > For years have seen people make vague grumbles about something not > working with mod_wsgi. Not one ever reported bug or described problem. Hmm. How easy is it for someone who, say, an hour ago had no idea they would ever want to contact Graham Dumpleton; and then encounters a problem with mod_wsgi? * Searching for ‘mod_wsgi’ leads to a GitHub page. Want to submit a one-off bug report? Too bad, you have to sign up with yet another service. No email address is provided for reporting bugs. The person named is Graham Dumpleton; no email address for him is provided. * If you're persistent enough to contact Graham Dumpleton directly outside the context of the ‘mod_wsgi’ project, what does that get you? Searching “Graham Dumpleton” on the web gets a bunch of inconclusive hits. He has a Twitter account. Want to send him a single bug report? Too bad, you'd have to sign up for yet another service (Twitter). He has a weblog, at Blogger. It gives a specific profile for him. With no email address. Want to send a one-off bug report there? Too bad, there's no contact information given. * Are there other ways to report a bug? I can't find them, and I searched for rather longer than someone would be who just wants to describe the problem. I am unsurprised that people don't end up reporting bugs; there's no simple way to do it. No wonder Graham Dumpleton finds a lot of people grumbling and not reporting bugs. > Sadly becoming the norm. People will just whinge and complain but > never actually report issues in Open Source. Sadly becoming the norm. People will run a software project and just assume that users will be willing to go through a registration process for every project just to report a bug. -- \ “[Entrenched media corporations will] maintain the status quo, | `\ or die trying. Either is better than actually WORKING for a | _o__) living.” —ringsnake.livejournal.com, 2007-11-12 | Ben Finney