Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.477 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.24; '*S*': 0.20; 'that?': 0.05; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'mostly': 0.14; 'atmosphere,': 0.16; 'dismiss': 0.16; 'received:192.168.1.4': 0.16; 'creating': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'decide': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'getting': 0.31; 'fighting': 0.31; 'produces': 0.31; 'themselves': 0.32; 'regular': 0.32; 'up.': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'positive': 0.37; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'simply': 0.61; 'email addr:yahoo.com': 0.64; 'become': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; '(that': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; 'response.': 0.68; 'yourself': 0.78; 'flame': 0.84; 'hostile': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'received:195.238': 0.84; 'received:195.238.6': 0.84; 'received:belgacom.be': 0.84; 'received:isp.belgacom.be': 0.84; 'wars': 0.84; 'welcoming': 0.84; 'collective': 0.91; 'subject:Don': 0.91; 'fight': 0.97 X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgDACjY0VFbtpxX/2dsb2JhbAANTYM7rV2SHgMBgReDFwEBAQMBOEAGCwshFg8JAwIBAgEzEhMGAgKHeQMJEqoXigWIB4x1gTdTZhaDUQOVZYFjgSmKd4g4gW8 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 21:38:28 +0200 From: Antoon Pardon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20130116 Icedove/10.0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Don't feed the troll... References: <7wfvwkcihf.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <96ed14e3-79dd-40c2-8063-aa58a42c7b57@googlegroups.com> <744948f6-85dd-4de3-a886-8282ca903816@googlegroups.com> <3207a22f-846a-41a8-8165-79c25e3c4285@googlegroups.com> <51CB4513.6060201@rece.vub.ac.be> <51CC80B9.5090501@rece.vub.ac.be> <80e9fcec-ae50-4aae-b238-cb4f457efbbc@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <80e9fcec-ae50-4aae-b238-cb4f457efbbc@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 09:19:23 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372749565 news.xs4all.nl 15984 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53628 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49616 Op 01-07-13 16:02, rurpy@yahoo.com schreef: > You claim "collective experience" is not reliable and dismiss it > in favor of your own theory, flaming trolls is a better response. > And your evidence for that? Nothing (that I've read so far). You can decide all for yourself on how you want to handle trolls. But consider the following possibilty. A couple of trolls that are good in getting each other riled up. The regular members who mostly have killfiled them. Then who will be burdened most by the trolls? The newcomers. The regulars may succeed in creating a coccoon with a welcoming and positive atmosphere, but they have by doing so blinded themselves to how the group looks like to outsiders and so have no idea how hostile the group may have become to newbees. > Ironically your flame war with Nikos in > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/650905.html > provides evidence for the validity of the collective experience you > dismiss, that engaging in flame wars with trolls simply produces more > flames, hostility begets hostility. I, and I think the majority of > people here, find that very unpleasant. You have become (as predicted > by the collective experience you dismiss) as offensive as any troll. A lot of unfairness stays in the world because people find it unpleasant to fight it and even to observe fighting it. -- Antoon Pardon