Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Well, I finally ran into a Python Unicode problem, sort of Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 01:14:00 +1000 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <0589521b-648a-47c1-8afa-6f746e0fb901@googlegroups.com> <8760sni3lw.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <8312c969-dce3-4612-8c03-ddb5d58431e4@googlegroups.com> <871t3bhz7k.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 9gAS/L3Id+y6qSqjYY8raAgjzrp02VD7jb5zXZZ6QeUw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'typed': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; '2016': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'identifiers': 0.16; 'identifiers.': 0.16; 'natively,': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'scope.': 0.16; 'similarly,': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'typing': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'people,': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'speakers.': 0.22; 'subject:problem': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'them?': 0.29; "can't": 0.32; 'especially': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'problem': 0.33; 'lets': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'text': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'speak': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'us.': 0.62; 'concerns': 0.66; 'remember,': 0.66; 'natural': 0.67; 'choose': 0.68; 'jul': 0.72; 'russian': 0.76; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'greek': 0.84; 'latin': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=l8YWalf2397/hmOwdBoX2WISQrzSzsUWeZJStgXNSa4=; b=sJR+kHmdibwsbF6GD+CfYzZj4FJs3h8t5qsTor2aK8Ks38Qjqi1GZN9QSWVBFRxap7 PgoThtqSBt1BoUgaAhxWhfj2w84kfTQQY7wm3tBUwp8OEv5TWJ9wPErQgTxwRL69v3Rx IQGY/VIbpzrwQfpueka7hkHndKe3U4ZTgZL8eAUVgk5Vogi0sy0aHdRuQEzY8icxQ//y NdlpWrVyluSkxmvUYBh4lCmWorXg7l2BqhtpFhDT511nxSOU447To/n23frPkbCutes1 MNsBXQfKlgws5lu46sYnf9drFBn7mfTPDbE1K9MB0Thh9KEPUC99rAU30+vKsEy540Ly 8b3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l8YWalf2397/hmOwdBoX2WISQrzSzsUWeZJStgXNSa4=; b=FU2Nd78SZuKP5XHnvygfzzaxA+tEZJ0I5IX0YhbPqzAdux6/uUW5s6bfUbvG1Rv50S RjEGoDx0OlNj6oFzheIQNH8CWSR/BKeiwkRfF6QXAydyqfINbA+LYD1eXbtMPwatuGw0 yMRdskVkXgeiZGOlvss5LZ85wPsa2YsoJHff1R76K8hS/vVCf/YjTTlrvhKHObUty9a+ llPk+en1BYMdROJFOLywxDyQGvr3gtV1zEdRh5c4yNxnn3aM4aqTeVMnx6szHT7IKwm0 KhzsifcyztkblzBuOXeR0fCv2Za7YsXT1vPBI+3S1ThrFcnO8OTJLQBBsDIwTRadOG+Z 6eAw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIJ9tPzEYXyNmvSzARXDqiwsUYnhoiykxn7AdEXDleykefAPihgpOdiV1C+Iv09W4QVPbLcTNBFbUwEwQ== X-Received: by 10.28.67.69 with SMTP id q66mr6480335wma.81.1467558841464; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 08:14:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <871t3bhz7k.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <0589521b-648a-47c1-8afa-6f746e0fb901@googlegroups.com> <8760sni3lw.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <8312c969-dce3-4612-8c03-ddb5d58431e4@googlegroups.com> <871t3bhz7k.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:110999 On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Lawrence D=E2=80=99Oliveiro : > >> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 7:27:04 PM UTC+12, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> >>> Personally, I don't think even =CF=80 should be used in identifiers. >> >> Why not? > > 1. It can't be typed easily. > > 2. It can look like an n. > > 3. Single-character identifiers should not be promoted, especially with > a global scope. None of these is a language-level concern. You can't type it? That's your problem - and you can choose not to use it. But Python lets you, if you want to. Remember, some people speak Greek natively, and for those people, typing Greek text is as natural as typing Latin text is for us. Similarly, Cyrillic text is the most natural language for Russian speakers. Why should Python block them? Your other concerns might be a case for linters, but definitely not the language. ChrisA