Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'matches': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'choice,': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'implies': 0.16; 'rarely': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'finally,': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'second,': 0.31; 'style': 0.33; 'one,': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; '14,': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'system,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'system.': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'full': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'our': 0.64; 'home': 0.69; 'quality': 0.72; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:02:29 +0000 References: <201312090824.25211.gheskett@wdtv.com> <52A78F6F.3060507@stoneleaf.us> <5b62c6f8-fb92-48ef-a59a-6025b9b39994@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-19-230.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386954176 news.xs4all.nl 2946 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61845 On 13/12/2013 16:43, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 13/12/2013 16:27, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 3:15 AM, wrote: >>>> >>>> One should recognize, with win7, MS, finally, produce >>>> a full unicode system. Strangely, among all the "bashing" >>>> one can read about that system, this is rarely mentioned. >>>> (With an excellent unicode coding scheme!) >>> >>> >>> [citation needed] >>> >>> ChrisA >>> >> >> You'll have to wait until the cows come home on two counts. One, he's never >> yet provided any evidence to support any statement that he's ever made here. >> Second, he's still not smart enough to stop sending double spaced google >> crap. > > I don't know that it's a matter of not being smart enough. It's just > as likely to be a deliberate choice, as that method of posting ensures > that the quality of the style matches the quality of the substance. > > ChrisA > How can it be deliberate choice, that implies thought in the first place, which is highly conspicious by its absence? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence