Path: csiph.com!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'builtin': 0.07; 'implemented.': 0.09; 'pointers': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; '*only*': 0.16; 'ironpython': 0.16; 'lambda': 0.16; 'pointers,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'runtimes': 0.16; 'uses,': 0.16; 'pointer': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'java': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'actual': 0.28; 'about.': 0.29; 'received:comcast.net': 0.33; "i'll": 0.33; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'talking': 0.67 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Random832 Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:07:52 -0400 References: <14afe27e-0bd5-410f-8e64-0f31d496ebf2@googlegroups.com> <55F36B4C.9020007@gmail.com> <1442016698.95299.381478313.2487CA0E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:20yA4XJ+JoPbvJxDdLeW6nhUnwI= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442034608 news.xs4all.nl 23743 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58284 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96401 Mark Lawrence writes: > How do I access these pointers? Is there a builtin called pointer() > that's analogous to id()? You access them *all the time*. They are the *only* thing you access. But if you want... pointer = lambda x: return x > I'll ask again, where do pointers come into > the Jython and IronPython models? How do I access their pointers, the > same builtin? The fact that the underlying implementation language > has some terminology that it uses, has no bearing on the actual > language being implemented. I am not using "pointer" as language-specific terminology, I am using it as *the* name of the concept we are talking about. The Java and .NET runtimes *don't* use that terminology, but they still *actually* have pointers, in the same way that Python does.