Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'fixed,': 0.09; 'reports.': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; '"some': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'issue.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'bugs': 0.33; 'there,': 0.34; 'core': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'much.': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'supporting': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 'offering': 0.63; 'it!': 0.67; 'mar': 0.68; 'lack': 0.78; '2015': 0.84; 'presumably': 0.84; 'upstream': 0.84; 'usage.': 0.84; 'discovering': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=liMh1w2z9NVEWjW4GSAR0TavtYuU1u2b7iCFCgPDBlg=; b=d9mOLc8qkIyAOwlB8D9DGhwiOPcZsLrykm3iWPp3eB37/wBh0aEN+gu2ooFIuIltuu rujitClz+WRQyQ4QkwdqMiNyf+RYZS0iy01d/uJaUFM9Tc/UTWr5QYbQZZ7NCeO1W53q kwoxWf4Euf41HnHgb/jDuX3qBWQkZcfPMshC7hYPu7zp5b9fPdPm9o4uXbFJ/SSR8Pal QQ5d0buzTEo6I0IS3wUOUaFgIeZeccGI4hKrb9x6qx4hbB0KyEgULhcbhq7hoWMKKgDw J6GMurGtpH+rO2RK5j69mTfL0I523aiEyvRp/qZU77CIprqAn907PHtM1nQtqDMw2xJv N8jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.51.68 with SMTP id d4mr73550197icg.26.1426466336613; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55062314$0$12976$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <550351BF.5020108@animats.com> <87vbi4ovp1.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <55062314$0$12976$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:38:56 +1100 Subject: Re: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426466339 news.xs4all.nl 2847 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36362 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87499 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > "Some of the bugs I listed are so easy to hit that I suspect those > packages aren't used much. Those bugs should have been found years > ago. Fixed, even. I shouldn't be discovering them in 2015." > > Clearly a mere nine years is NOT long enough. Which is probably why the > Python core developers are supporting Python 2 until 2020. Library authors > will presumably be offering Python 2 compatibility for even longer. I would say that time clearly isn't the issue. Nine years IS enough... if it's a matter of time. But since the bugs are still there, it means that the problem is a lack of usage. Solution: Use it! Do the port to Python 3, and file those upstream bug reports. ChrisA