Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'root': 0.05; 'tests.': 0.07; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'implemented.': 0.09; 'message- id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'method,': 0.09; 'received:184.172': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; 'rejected': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'def': 0.12; 'bug': 0.12; 'wrote': 0.14; '@property': 0.16; 'a()': 0.16; 'a(object):': 0.16; 'byron': 0.16; 'callable': 0.16; 'callable.': 0.16; 'collections': 0.16; 'conforming': 0.16; 'downstream': 0.16; 'incorrect': 0.16; 'iterator': 0.16; 'iterator,': 0.16; 'justified': 0.16; 'ruth': 0.16; 'subject:skip:_ 10': 0.16; 'typeerror:': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'import': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'skip:` 20': 0.24; 'defined': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'url:bugs': 0.29; '(this': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'raymond': 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'assumes': 0.31; 'concern': 0.31; 'existence': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'subject:next': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; '(i.e.': 0.33; 'implemented': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; "who's": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'returning': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'requirements': 0.37; 'feedback': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'determine': 0.67; 'received:69.56': 0.68; 'behavior': 0.77; 'subject:check': 0.84; 'technically': 0.84; 'url:master': 0.84; 'received:gateway02.websitewelcome.com': 0.91 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:02:18 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: collections.Iterator __subclasshook__ does not check if next() is callable References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.235]) [173.12.184.235]:57988 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1364775079 news.xs4all.nl 6979 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:42435 On 03/31/2013 10:57 AM, Byron Ruth wrote: > I submitted this as bug last night: http://bugs.python.org/issue17584 and was *honored* to be rejected by Raymond Hettinger. However, I would like feedback on whether my concern (this bug) is justified and clarity if not. > > Consider: > > ```python > class A(object): > def __init__(self): > self.r = iter(range(5)) > def __iter__(self): > return self > @property > def next(self): > return next(self.r) > ``` > > The `next` method is a property, however: > > ```python > from collections import Iterator > a = A() > isinstance(a, Iterator) # True > next(a) # TypeError: 'int' object is not callable > ``` > > I am using `collections.Iterator` as the means to check if the object is an iterator, however I am not sure if that is _root_ problem here. My understanding of the iterator protocol is that is assumes the __iter__ and next *methods* are implemented. In the example, `A.next` is defined as a property, but is still identified as an iterator. To me, this is incorrect behavior since it's not conforming to the iterator protocol requirements (i.e. a `next` method, not a property). The root problem is that whoever implemented A did so incorrectly. > Raymond stated: "The design of ABCs are to check for the existence to required named; none of them verify the signature." I think I understand _why_ this is the case.. but I downstream libraries use `collections.Iterator` to determine if an object _is one_: see https://github.com/django/django/blob/master/django/utils/itercompat.py#L22-L31 > > Who's job is it to check if `next` (and technically `__iter__`) are methods? The programmer who wrote it, with good tests. Technically, the issue is not that 'next' is a property, but that it is not returning a callable. If it did (and the callable was appropriate for the iterator), that would also work. -- ~Ethan~