Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'cpython': 0.05; 'bug.': 0.07; 'pointers': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'variables': 0.15; 'pointers.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'pointer': 0.18; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'points': 0.27; 'feature,': 0.29; 'objects': 0.29; 'connection': 0.30; 'knows': 0.32; 'received:comcast.net': 0.33; 'list': 0.34; 'but': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'wrong': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'about?': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Random832 Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:34:52 -0400 References: <14afe27e-0bd5-410f-8e64-0f31d496ebf2@googlegroups.com> <55F36B4C.9020007@gmail.com> <1442016698.95299.381478313.2487CA0E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2UFYMfZNzFMlEJse+bD07QW8LqM= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442032503 news.xs4all.nl 23737 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39262 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96395 Mark Lawrence writes: > I think pointer is even worse because of its connection with C and > hence cPython. What is wrong with object if that is the only thing > Python knows about? Because the object is the *thing the arrow points at*. You don't have two objects when store the same object in two variables (names, list slots, whatever), but you do have two pointers. And they *are* pointers in cPython - so that "connection" is a feature, not a bug.