Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.058 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'differently.': 0.09; 'fixed,': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'report,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'url:appspot': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thanks.': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'daniel': 0.26; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'converting': 0.30; 'relative': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'bugs': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'introducing': 0.36; 'much.': 0.36; 'shows': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'from:addr:googlemail.com': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'supporting': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'problems.': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; 'social': 0.69; 'prime': 0.74; '1:00': 0.84; 'adoption': 0.84; '2015.': 0.91; 'discovering': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WR03BaQLQN1AZQcwOKRsh+dsBWZsGUABZ2zv9zpV3n0=; b=oSru30kXEG6ocAtbdQkHY/SJRnbi70t+aFojtdrSplOswqWeT+ecUy+952iWc5IhlW f6RF9GfretI1GB2wqObYc7gRp9YjkSP4Eq8vX/REk+LIO2dHyTWraS71qZSkEepdz4ae y+wGeRCGK2MiSuNMWbbMzOpmX+JcX+TnS/dsqJBf0fWioXQqA1a2tM7AkkRsr9A68ajE JuWQxddjc/NWre4vFAb0/IYz2RHWOECg3bwJ3eHXZ7eDkyBWlMYfSiW2w6GZnZF5a+Ck 3a4DA/CzcL3cdRw6CWUvAg8xur+ehhliyGxSRdbsXrAVNgmDCmtmyY/CwU/sLtpHm4CT AOlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.42.88 with SMTP id q85mr87615253qkh.65.1426453172719; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <550351BF.5020108@animats.com> <87vbi4ovp1.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 21:59:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain From: "Fetchinson ." To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426453180 news.xs4all.nl 2936 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55790 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87491 On 3/15/15, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 15/03/2015 19:05, John Nagle wrote: >> On 3/14/2015 1:00 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> John Nagle : >>>> I'm approaching the end of converting a large system from Python 2 >>>> to Python 3. Here's why you don't want to do this. >>> >>> A nice report, thanks. Shows that the slowness of Python 3 adoption is >>> not only social inertia. >>> Marko >> >> Thanks. >> >> Some of the bugs I listed are so easy to hit that I suspect those >> packages aren't used much. Those bugs should have been found years >> ago. Fixed, even. I shouldn't be discovering them in 2015. >> >> I appreciate all the effort put in by developers in fixing these >> problems. Python 3 is still a long way from being ready for prime >> time, though. >> >> John Nagle >> > > This https://python3wos.appspot.com/ says differently. A "package supporting python 3" is not equivalent to a "package not introducing new bugs in its python 3 version relative to python 2" and is also not equivalent to a "package working without issues on python 3". Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown