Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'differently.': 0.09; 'fixed,': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'report,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'url:appspot': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thanks.': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'converting': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'fixing': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'bugs': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'much.': 0.36; 'shows': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'problems.': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'social': 0.69; 'prime': 0.74; '1:00': 0.84; 'adoption': 0.84; 'received:as9105.com': 0.84; 'received:dsl.as9105.com': 0.84; 'received:dynamic.dsl.as9105.com': 0.84; '2015.': 0.91; 'discovering': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:16:22 +0000 References: <550351BF.5020108@animats.com> <87vbi4ovp1.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80-44-151-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426447002 news.xs4all.nl 2942 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45393 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87490 On 15/03/2015 19:05, John Nagle wrote: > On 3/14/2015 1:00 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> John Nagle : >>> I'm approaching the end of converting a large system from Python 2 >>> to Python 3. Here's why you don't want to do this. >> >> A nice report, thanks. Shows that the slowness of Python 3 adoption is >> not only social inertia. >> Marko > > Thanks. > > Some of the bugs I listed are so easy to hit that I suspect those > packages aren't used much. Those bugs should have been found years > ago. Fixed, even. I shouldn't be discovering them in 2015. > > I appreciate all the effort put in by developers in fixing these > problems. Python 3 is still a long way from being ready for prime > time, though. > > John Nagle > This https://python3wos.appspot.com/ says differently. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence