Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'differently': 0.07; 'variables': 0.07; 'variables.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'behave': 0.16; 'bind': 0.16; 'lisp': 0.16; 'objects.': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'saying': 0.22; "haven't": 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'url:3': 0.61; 'real': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; 'fact,': 0.69; 'pardon': 0.84; 'url:reference': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=q9MvhsT1GjkKNfTFiQzRkRoyJe3V080zhQffp+ivnCo=; b=Hqe5u7SHJpud8oqgvz11cz5sS697PVi38WouODRqQvYI+k7OuXFHcXV2WzN++3wvi3 UfLBDFzv5fQrUOmi1hmHCWEOiq6FoGxW9YjGa3EJg3Ep096o8b5CgE5O6rrK+JpcQPf6 e4DDujnPjNAYK5SiyRWei+1XLOgM16VBGfPq0xKTQhcuDkIYHfK+lH5VDKg3GfK2IeiS cUcbXVS5Sxa9yE9VchAZpzumapU+CmwUXra/P44MaDgu1BTxLu/eQkgseGyQYdxsb5AF iXhKipOBw4NgRGskfHeq2eknfidCoSF3dKaOOQv1cqH/Xb7tEXIKjLTXjGmK8eZmEnGp srcA== X-Received: by 10.66.141.71 with SMTP id rm7mr17135922pab.90.1372533874873; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:24:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51CF1309.1010504@rece.vub.ac.be> References: <2a2072e3-4b12-4ada-872c-1240d2379928@googlegroups.com> <51CEE8E9.4070703@gmail.com> <51CF1309.1010504@rece.vub.ac.be> From: Ian Kelly Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:23:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Closures in leu of pointers? To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372533878 news.xs4all.nl 15962 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43608 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49452 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 29-06-13 16:02, Michael Torrie schreef: > >> >> The real problem here is that you don't understand how python variables >> work. And in fact, python does not have variables. It has names that >> bind to objects. > > > I don't understand why members of this list keep saying this. Sure the > variables in python behave differently than those in C and algol But they > behave similarly as those in smalltalk and lisp and I haven't seen > anyone claim that smalltalk and lisp don't have variables. Perhaps because that is the terminology used by the language documentation: http://docs.python.org/3/reference/executionmodel.html#naming-and-binding