Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.053 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'bootstrap': 0.07; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'to:2**1': 0.27; 'larry': 0.31; 'front': 0.32; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'manually': 0.60; 'up,': 0.60; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'panel': 0.68; 'computers': 0.72 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V54Avb9NPL1mPLto/Wwr7Fyqgi1fOQG4lkfxZ/kTY5U=; b=wnbL9xsRJI8QH+Wy3/xBS0cXpQ8+ZtDTV6ha9OXdnb1kizb/DAV7J2pzWfLUZm3XPO yRb6ZYg/7OcrVEpeTINRYk5HaoC1ejJTIasXmC6pBAoz0o0AYfL4P04ERYYJhitD+hzW 654a6vw91jjDJYM6o/w3CQ+ocE353Fgfd1EztXQ3Q9kJ4YVeJ+mnWQLbczFheVd3CF4A XjNRUgRThlzc2ibthlkF4QZOw42u/l9YT68uNHoml2rDAG39Ltl9zMv5w7i4lxhbzNrz XkmPIcqvjibSlKLvTb6PaMxFUXD+fr9c2Zo4pdaiR3fcq9jSxZgz92PvpUBbUJeJF0W9 k2Bg== X-Received: by 10.224.14.77 with SMTP id f13mr7748075qaa.76.1386867090637; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:51:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:51:28 -0500 From: bob gailer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Martell , python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language References: <201312090824.25211.gheskett@wdtv.com> <52A78F6F.3060507@stoneleaf.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386867097 news.xs4all.nl 2861 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49798 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61731 On 12/11/2013 9:07 PM, Larry Martell wrote: > Nope. Long before that I was working on computers that didn't boot > when you powered them up, You had to manually key in a bootstrap > program from the front panel switches. PDP8? RIM loader, BIN loader?