Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Robert Kern Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Curious Omission In New-Style Formats Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:17:35 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <834b1cce-38dd-474c-8915-4ff1cd6b27ec@googlegroups.com> <5783c91e$0$1622$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <57846636$0$1621$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <06f2dedb-ce7a-4ca8-9fe8-8dba36f3d3ba@googlegroups.com> <76762c79-a85d-48f1-8132-5decd10ce4f1@googlegroups.com> <57874385$0$1501$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de j5QaOsOeFRiC6sF2u10BqQGhBRqOfn7YwMP+CAmXaFKw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'integers': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; 'properly': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'kern': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'say,': 0.18; '>>>': 0.20; 'either.': 0.22; 'interpret': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'wondering': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; '14,': 0.27; 'sequence': 0.27; 'specifically': 0.28; "i'm": 0.30; 'point': 0.33; 'attempt': 0.35; 'robert': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'term': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'side': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'necessarily': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'world': 0.64; 'believe': 0.66; 'thursday': 0.66; 'jul': 0.72; 'eco': 0.84; 'terrible': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: uk.enthought.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <834b1cce-38dd-474c-8915-4ff1cd6b27ec@googlegroups.com> <5783c91e$0$1622$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <57846636$0$1621$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <06f2dedb-ce7a-4ca8-9fe8-8dba36f3d3ba@googlegroups.com> <76762c79-a85d-48f1-8132-5decd10ce4f1@googlegroups.com> <57874385$0$1501$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:111441 On 2016-07-14 15:30, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Jul 14, 2016 1:52 AM, "Steven D'Aprano" > wrote: >> >> On Thursday 14 July 2016 15:18, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >>> Side note, neither do floating point numbers, really; what is often >>> called the mantissa is more properly known as the significand. But >>> integers don't have that either. >> >> Er, then what's a mantissa if it's not what people call a float's mantissa? >> >> What makes you say it is "more properly" known as the significand? >> >> I'm not necessarily disputing what you say, I'm wondering what is your >> justification for it. > > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Significand.html > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Mantissa.html > > The significand of -3.14159 is the sequence of digits 314159. The > mantissa of -3.14159 is the number 0.85841. > > I don't have a copy of the IEEE-754 standard, but I believe that it > also uses the term "significand" and specifically avoids the term > "mantissa". Confirmed. -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco