Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Tim Chase Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Guido sees the light: PEP 8 updated Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:02:30 -0500 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <5711c1b3$0$1596$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <93639142-6b82-4b8a-8bd0-7f4593e1f692@googlegroups.com> <5716595b$0$1585$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <3d95437c-6427-46d2-8e9f-470f121194cd@googlegroups.com> <20160419124321.361751dc@bigbox.christie.dr> <1461092090.2638611.583593041.7C981FAD@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20160419190230.4da81b2e@bigbox.christie.dr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de sUPgD7v+eiPaz5lV1m+NHg8xB6yO9bWdWC+x9VivQmZw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'skip:/ 10': 0.07; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'mentions': 0.09; 'xml)': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; '"programming': 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; 'distinct': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'preferred': 0.20; 'programming': 0.22; 'tim': 0.24; 'xml': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; "doesn't": 0.26; 'sense': 0.26; 'interface': 0.29; 'chase': 0.29; 'markup': 0.29; 'code': 0.30; 'tue,': 0.34; 'file': 0.34; 'text': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'tool': 0.36; 'development.': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'method': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'viewing': 0.64; 'dia:': 0.84; 'dsl': 0.84; 'received:23': 0.84; 'remembering': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'plain-text': 0.91 X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: wwwh X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1461110765207:1465462505 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1461110765207 In-Reply-To: <1461092090.2638611.583593041.7C981FAD@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-AuthUser: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <20160419190230.4da81b2e@bigbox.christie.dr> X-Mailman-Original-References: <5711c1b3$0$1596$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <93639142-6b82-4b8a-8bd0-7f4593e1f692@googlegroups.com> <5716595b$0$1585$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <3d95437c-6427-46d2-8e9f-470f121194cd@googlegroups.com> <20160419124321.361751dc@bigbox.christie.dr> <1461092090.2638611.583593041.7C981FAD@webmail.messagingengine.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107379 On 2016-04-19 14:54, Random832 wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 13:43, Tim Chase wrote: > > Well, let's take a look at their native file formats: > > Inkscape: SVG > > Libreoffice: compressed XML > > Firefox: HTML+CSS+JS > > Musescore: compressed text > > Dia: compressed XML > > None of those are "text" in the sense being discussed here, which is > "preferred method of viewing and editing is a text editor". Well, my preferred method of "viewing" python code is /usr/bin/python Authoring, editing, and consuming are all distinct actions. Yes, a lot of tools can use libpcap to interface with wireshark dumps, but if your tool doesn't talk pcap, you can dump to plain-text (as Dennis mentions doing...well, XML) which is the lingua franca of tool development. > You could, for example, design a programming language that uses XML > markup [shudders at remembering using a DSL "programming language" that was XML] -tkc