Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'pointers': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'c++.': 0.16; 'in...': 0.16; 'ironpython': 0.16; 'pointers,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'runtimes': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'pointer': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'java': 0.22; 'assign': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'fit': 0.23; 'somewhere': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'object,': 0.27; 'connection': 0.30; 'especially': 0.32; 'knows': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'reference,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'wrong': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'our': 0.64; 'about?': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:17:36 +0100 References: <14afe27e-0bd5-410f-8e64-0f31d496ebf2@googlegroups.com> <55F36B4C.9020007@gmail.com> <1442016698.95299.381478313.2487CA0E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.66.69 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442031475 news.xs4all.nl 23780 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58504 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96392 On 12/09/2015 05:06, Random832 wrote: > Mark Lawrence writes: > >> On 12/09/2015 01:11, random832@fastmail.us wrote: >> If everything in Python is an object, how can it assign a pointer? >> Especially how do Jython and IronPython assign pointers? > > The Java and .NET runtimes also have pointers, they just don't [usually] > call them pointers, just like Python doesn't call them pointers (a match > made in... well, somewhere starting with an H, for sure). > > Honestly, whether you want to call the thing a pointer or a reference, > you have to call it *something*, and I think "reference" is a worse fit > based on its connotations from C++. Whatever you call it, it's an arrow > on a diagram. > I think pointer is even worse because of its connection with C and hence cPython. What is wrong with object if that is the only thing Python knows about? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence