Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:between': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'print': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'related': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; 'prints': 0.31; 'subject:that': 0.31; 'trivial': 0.31; 'themselves': 0.32; 'option': 0.32; 'beginning': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'functional': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'helps': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'teaching': 0.64; 'distinguish': 0.84; 'subject: *': 0.84; 'viable': 0.84; 'subject:Good': 0.91; 'taught': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Instead of deciding between Python or Lisp for a programming intro course...What about an intro course that uses *BOTH*? Good idea? Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:04:01 +0100 References: <02dba7aa-8466-4937-a8d8-82ffd03e5568@googlegroups.com> <87wq0gyvyr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <55515f9d$0$12987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <60c01c07-aef9-4232-92cd-22e6c017fc9c@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-185-107.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <60c01c07-aef9-4232-92cd-22e6c017fc9c@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431446652 news.xs4all.nl 2900 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53277 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90461 On 12/05/2015 07:42, Rustom Mody wrote: > > And related to that (and one reason a pure functional language is good for > pedagogy): NO PRINT statement > It may seem trivial but beginning students have a real hard writing clean > structured code. Tabooing prints helps get there faster > And working in the interpreter makes a print-taboo a viable option > If students can't be taught to distinguish print from other parts of the language they should get themselves onto a course teaching semi-skilled light bulb fitting. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence