Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'anyway).': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; 'received:209.85.160.174': 0.09; 'received:mail- gy0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'blocking': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; '(assuming': 0.16; 'cores': 0.16; 'factor,': 0.16; 'simultaneous': 0.16; 'subject:GIL': 0.16; 'threading': 0.16; '(i.e.': 0.18; 'question.': 0.18; 'subject:Questions': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'gil': 0.23; 'point,': 0.25; 'received:71': 0.26; 'chris': 0.27; 'google': 0.27; 'received:209.85.160': 0.28; 'concern': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.29; 'indicated': 0.29; "won't": 0.30; 'lock': 0.31; 'threads': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'handling': 0.33; "isn't": 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.35; 'instances': 0.35; 'running': 0.36; 'way.': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'issue': 0.37; 'run': 0.37; 'designing': 0.38; 'parallel': 0.38; 'subject:web': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'not,': 0.39; 'tim': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'how': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'factor': 0.60; 'subject:about': 0.66; 'due': 0.67; 'articles': 0.67; 'service)': 0.84; 'subject:services': 0.93 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:09:49 -0400 From: Chris H Organization: Windsor Circle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Questions about GIL and web services from a n00b References: <4DA8734C.1080706@WindsorCircle.com> <1302887012.27269.2.camel@tim-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1302887012.27269.2.camel@tim-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302887399 news.xs4all.nl 81483 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:41966 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3276 On 4/15/11 1:03 PM, Tim Wintle wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 12:33 -0400, Chris H wrote: >> 1. Are you sure you want to use python because threading is not good >> due to the Global Lock (GIL)? Is this really an issue for >> multi-threaded web services as seems to be indicated by the articles >> from a Google search? If not, how do you avoid this issue in a >> multi-threaded process to take advantage of all the CPU cores >> available? > Is the limiting factor CPU? > > If it isn't (i.e. you're blocking on IO to/from a web service) then the > GIL won't get in your way. > > If it is, then run as many parallel *processes* as you have cores/CPUs > (assuming you're designing an application that can have multiple > instances running in parallel so that you can run over multiple servers > anyway). > > Tim Wintle Great question. At this point, there isn't a limiting factor, but yes the concern is around CPU in the future with lots of threads handling many simultaneous transactions. Chris