Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'example:': 0.03; 'argument': 0.05; 'explicitly': 0.05; '(python': 0.07; 'assignment': 0.07; 'statically': 0.07; 'variables': 0.07; '[0]': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'referenced': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; "'n'": 0.16; '2):': 0.16; 'before!': 0.16; 'closures': 0.16; 'declaration': 0.16; 'determines': 0.16; 'mutable': 0.16; 'pointers.': 0.16; 'proc': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:dip0.t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'subroutine': 0.16; 'variable.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'variable': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'print': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'script': 0.25; 'skip:" 40': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'work.': 0.31; '"",': 0.31; '13,': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'agreed': 0.32; 'me?': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; '(most': 0.33; 'becomes': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'words,': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'expected': 0.38; 'remote': 0.38; 'follows:': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'explain': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'name': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'huh?': 0.84; 'sudden,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> Subject: Re: Closures in leu of pointers? Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:01:47 +0200 Organization: None References: <2a2072e3-4b12-4ada-872c-1240d2379928@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508485e6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: KNode/4.7.3 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 136 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372500107 news.xs4all.nl 15890 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56506 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49410 cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com wrote: > I'd like to use closures to set allow a subroutine to set variables in its > caller, in leu of pointers. "leu"? Must be a Fench word ;) > But I can't get it to work. I have the > following test pgm, but I can't understand its behaviour: > > It uses a function p2() from the module modules.closure1b: > > def p2 (proc): > proc ("dolly") > > I thought the following worked like I expected it to: > > > from modules.closures1b import p2 > > def p1(msg1): > msg3 = "world" > print "p1: entered: ", msg1 > def p11(msg2): > print "p11: entered: ", msg2 > print msg1 + msg2 + msg3 > print p2 (p11) > > p1('hello') > > $ python closures1c.py > p1: entered: hello > p11: entered: dolly > hellodollyworld > None > > In other words, p1() is passed "hello" for msg1, "world" goes to the local > msg3 and then p11() is invoked out of a remote module and it can access > not only its own argument (msg2) but also the variables local to p1(): > "hellodollyworld". > > But if I try to set the variable local to p1(), all of a sudden python > seems to forget everything we agreed on. > > If I add this line to the script above: > msg3 = "goodbye" > as follows: > > from modules.closures1b import p2 > > def p1(msg1): > msg3 = "world" > print "p1: entered: ", msg1 > def p11(msg2): > print "p11: entered: ", msg2 > print msg1 + msg2 + msg3 > msg3 = "goodbye" # <- new > print p2 (p11) > > p1('hello') > > then all of a sudden, I get this: > > p1: entered: hello > p11: entered: dolly > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "closures1c.py", line 13, in > p1('hello') > File "closures1c.py", line 11, in p1 > print p2 (p11) > File "/home/mellman/eg/python/modules/closures1b.py", line 2, in p2 > proc ("dolly") > File "closures1c.py", line 9, in p11 > print msg1 + msg2 + msg3 > UnboundLocalError: local variable 'msg3' referenced before assignment > > > Huh? msg3 isn't more referenced than it was before! > > Can anyone explain this to me? You picked the most obnoxious variable names I can think of, but the actual problem is simple: Python statically determines the scope of a variable. If you rebind a name it becomes a local variable unless you explicitly declare it as global or -- in Python 3 -- as nonlocal. For example: Wrong: >>> def outer(): ... n = 0 ... def inner(): ... print(n) ... n += 1 ... return inner ... >>> outer()() Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "", line 4, in inner UnboundLocalError: local variable 'n' referenced before assignment With nonlocal declaration (Python 3 only): >>> def outer(): ... n = 0 ... def inner(): ... nonlocal n ... print(n) ... n += 1 ... return inner ... >>> f = outer() >>> f() 0 >>> f() 1 >>> f() 2 With a mutable variable as a pseudo-namespace (workaround for Python 2): >>> def outer(): ... n = [0] ... def inner(): ... print n[0] ... n[0] += 1 ... return inner ... >>> f = outer() >>> f() 0 >>> f() 1