Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'c++': 0.12; 'subject:] ': 0.14; 'received:72.11': 0.16; 'received:72.11.125': 0.16; 'received:72.11.125.166': 0.16; 'subject:user': 0.16; 'subset': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'planet': 0.18; "doesn't": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; "i'm": 0.26; 'seem': 0.30; 'subject:?': 0.31; 'programmers': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'actually': 0.33; 'agree': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'it.': 0.34; 'but': 0.37; "there's": 0.37; 'using': 0.38; 'programming.': 0.39; 'should': 0.39; 'define': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'dangerous': 0.64; 'received:websitewelcome.com': 0.64; 'received:184': 0.67; 'received:69.93': 0.67; 'limit': 0.67; 'industry': 0.74; 'complex,': 0.84; 'ignorant': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:15:35 -0800 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: [OT] Quick intro to C++ for a Python and C user? References: <9lc2u5FilrU1@mid.individual.net> <7xr4zzx8k9.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> <9le7c5F1lsU1@mid.individual.net> <9lef2pFgggU1@mid.individual.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: mail.admailinc.com ([192.168.10.136]) [72.11.125.166]:3582 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1324503297 news.xs4all.nl 6843 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:17703 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2011-12-21, Neil Cerutti wrote: >> I cheerfully agree that programmers ignorant of C++ should not >> write programs in it. But furthermore, they should also not >> define a subset of C++ for use in embedded programming. ;) > > I fully agree that programmers ignorant of C++ should not write > programs in it. However C++ is a vast, complex, and dangerous > language -- and industry doesn't seem to be willing to limit itself to > using the seven people on the planet who understand it. > > I'm only half joking... :) Ah -- so there's actually 14? ;) ~Ethan~