Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'pointers': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'c++.': 0.16; 'in...': 0.16; 'ironpython': 0.16; 'pointers,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'runtimes': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'pointer': 0.18; 'java': 0.22; 'assign': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'fit': 0.23; 'somewhere': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'object,': 0.27; 'especially': 0.32; 'received:comcast.net': 0.33; 'reference,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Random832 Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:06:18 -0400 References: <14afe27e-0bd5-410f-8e64-0f31d496ebf2@googlegroups.com> <55F36B4C.9020007@gmail.com> <1442016698.95299.381478313.2487CA0E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:T6NuIF+t471DuaJU69biq3nLj80= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442030787 news.xs4all.nl 23748 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53721 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96389 Mark Lawrence writes: > On 12/09/2015 01:11, random832@fastmail.us wrote: > If everything in Python is an object, how can it assign a pointer? > Especially how do Jython and IronPython assign pointers? The Java and .NET runtimes also have pointers, they just don't [usually] call them pointers, just like Python doesn't call them pointers (a match made in... well, somewhere starting with an H, for sure). Honestly, whether you want to call the thing a pointer or a reference, you have to call it *something*, and I think "reference" is a worse fit based on its connotations from C++. Whatever you call it, it's an arrow on a diagram.