Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.105 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.80; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'bootstrap': 0.07; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'wrote': 0.14; '"hello': 0.16; 'assumptions': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'machine': 0.22; 'tend': 0.24; 'skip:v 30': 0.26; 'switch': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'front': 0.32; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'starting': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'manually': 0.60; 'up,': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'field': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'panel': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'computers': 0.72; 'power': 0.76; 'article': 0.77; 'onwards': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wLFC9bdEtdHsa/dexS9coelaVfvQGS94yhJ1CD76Wk0=; b=p3zXHHUidj05gbng9c8Jk9nCp69tdvs+5oxOVWwEx+uFW9SDXkQOf8nIEIQ7tdO6sT nS6Cw83nsNlAWR1r5ziZmMJDZ61muu1tM5si8cOa28Wi4TMji/dD78xqXVynU1kxdMuy w84PG2sGrV4tf0+InLcIcPMgNh2LDW1Cnd1Ckle+/osw1RgUA08Y1SKfqP/K32M9SRov j7YRgyOp3ngoPQI9PYmN3LKNPCCetJqPTNJSK1Cos3K7dpYVDLtcPXEcOfdziTD3RqIC HgBLaISmGeoEBHWo2ALpIhJbR1hf4hPzXD3W1KxjojP8dKmVxL0HyR4D2Wz++dYSx8+C +21w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.206.116 with SMTP id ln20mr15258413wic.35.1386814051861; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:07:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201312090824.25211.gheskett@wdtv.com> <52A78F6F.3060507@stoneleaf.us> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:07:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language From: Larry Martell To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386814058 news.xs4all.nl 2840 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60833 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61647 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > rusi wrote: > >> Kernighan and Ritchie set an important "first" in our field by making >> "Hello World" their first program. > > Yup. > >> People tend to under-estimate the importance of this: >> Many assumptions need to be verified/truthified/dovetailed >> starting from switching on the machine onwards for this to work. > > At the time that they wrote it, very few people who used computers ever > got anywhere near the power switch :-) Nope. Long before that I was working on computers that didn't boot when you powered them up, You had to manually key in a bootstrap program from the front panel switches. (And no, this is not a takeoff of the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.)