Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'causing': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'plenty': 0.07; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'either.': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'world,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'dec': 0.30; 'especially': 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'done.': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'problems.': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'world': 0.66; 'received:69.56': 0.68; 'sound': 0.68; "today's": 0.70; '2:02': 0.84; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'received:gateway02.websitewelcome.com': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:47:28 -0800 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Python Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language References: <201312090824.25211.gheskett@wdtv.com> <52A78F6F.3060507@stoneleaf.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3304.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.12.184.233 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.233]) [173.12.184.233]:56157 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3IzMzA0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386797818 news.xs4all.nl 2965 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49033 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61621 On 12/11/2013 12:34 AM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: >> Doesn't sound like they do, as that's causing plenty of problems. In >> today's world that level of knowledge isn't always necessary, especially if >> your degree is not in CS. One of the (many) nice things about Python is one >> doesn't need to know that stuff to Get Things Done. > > You don't need to know how to use the brakes to drive to Wal-Mart, > either. In my world, Getting Things Done includes not crashing at my destination. ;) -- ~Ethan~