Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.swapon.de!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!usenetcore.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'compiler': 0.05; 'subject:don': 0.09; 'type)': 0.09; 'variables,': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; 'thu,': 0.15; '"global"': 0.16; 'attributes,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'subject:python.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'variable': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.21; 'c++,': 0.22; '2015': 0.23; 'seems': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'figure': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'flying': 0.29; 'implicitly': 0.29; 'subject:like': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.31; 'class': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'subject:: ': 0.37; '(with': 0.38; 'self': 0.38; 'wanted': 0.39; 'pm,': 0.39; 'data': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'subject:the': 0.40; 'subject:. ': 0.66; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'subject:self': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.90 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=/h/9H7447HOoHJXg11mEjf/7lZlLmEK/dWVhIG3kz/Q=; b=j5f+m9cAzTP++YYE9JwFd2ZXD3OUNJAuLmuoXMHLimkgY2l+HAjHJKHVyteFrCu3u5 T0DZ+bRcu2K91e5MXjgRAYnl4/3jTk7837k5Fr7VR8820beak5KD7/tqltyd8Zdf0Y9X zJYOkUDshuU7T2dnHRSCpCy2WO+g14FdOFfn8Yqj9WyrFaxnWPc4DuGyTMd++RAiU2uX PiB2b/KSGnQimn4V/iV9U6+7iIDFZvGuE7J51NgFeQEZIAqg37AChU2Ro3E2aQjpPsTd UODH7HCSfg98zcyvMX4LeJIUJHr2a/biSFSoUErvsEhhFi/oGaaCmLdbUfYlF2XxXLdP n1Rg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.159.193 with SMTP id lz1mr10182508icc.26.1434022686873; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:38:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <77496$55797095$5419aafe$48148@news.ziggo.nl> References: <77496$55797095$5419aafe$48148@news.ziggo.nl> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 21:38:06 +1000 Subject: Re: I don't like the OO part of python. In particular the "self" keyword everywhere. From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1434022695 news.xs4all.nl 2916 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43645 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92472 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote: > If I wanted to access a global variable I would use the existing "global" > thing > > global SomeField... > > maybe if I wanted to use a local variable for routine: > > local SomeField... > > seems nicer... then having to use self everywhere... Oops, missent. If you want this, how about simply declaring all function-local variables, and having everything else be implicitly global? Or declare (with data type) all globals, all class attributes, and all locals, and then let the compiler figure out what you want? Because if you want ECMAScript or C++, you know where to find them. ChrisA