Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed1.swip.net!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.169 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.67; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'compiler': 0.05; 'remind': 0.05; 'interpreter': 0.15; 'thu,': 0.15; 'c++.': 0.16; 'fly': 0.16; 'grounds': 0.16; 'singular': 0.16; 'soap,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'url:home': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; '2015': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'noted': 0.22; 'sep': 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'least': 0.27; 'code': 0.30; 'help,': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'run': 0.33; '-0700': 0.33; 'accessible': 0.33; 'doubt': 0.33; 'languages': 0.34; 'c++': 0.35; 'replaced': 0.35; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'projects.': 0.36; 'url:non-standard http port': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'one,': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'someone': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'easily': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'programs': 0.62; 'industry.': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'capable': 0.65; 'python-list': 0.66; 'thursday': 0.66; 'competition': 0.70; 'military': 0.72; 'commercial': 0.73; 'received:204': 0.75; 'actually,': 0.84; 'coral': 0.84; 'death,': 0.84; 'induce': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'scarce': 0.84; 'suppliers,': 0.84; 'aircraft': 0.91; 'dennis': 0.91; 'died': 0.91; 'spectacular': 0.91 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: From: Gene Heskett To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:47:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) References: <201509102219.14138.gheskett@wdtv.com> In-Reply-To: X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442026079 news.xs4all.nl 23761 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47821 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96384 On Friday 11 September 2015 22:35:00 Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 11/09/2015 03:19, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 10 September 2015 20:33:03 Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:04:05 -0700 (PDT), rurpy--- via Python-list > >> > >> declaimed the following: > >>> I also doubt there were more programming languages around in the > >>> 1970s than now, on the grounds that there were far fewer people > >>> capable of writing a compiler or interpreter in those days, and > >>> there were far fewer tools to help, or easily accessible knowledge > >>> about how to do do it. > >> > >> Yet there were enough assorted semi-specialized languages in use > >> on military programs to induce the DoD to run the competition for a > >> singular language -- which became Ada. > > > > And which should be noted that it has been a rather spectacular > > failure in the commercial market. Does that mean that those who can > > code in Ada are working only for the military's suppliers, and > > because they are a scarce commodity, writing their own paycheck? I > > don't know, other than no one is publically bragging about it. > > > >> -- > >> Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN > >> wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > Ada took over from CORAL in the UK, at least in military projects. It > was also used in the aircraft industry. My old work mates tell me that > its completely died a death, to be replaced by C++. Someone please > remind me never to fly again. > Oh my gawd. C++ in a airplane autopilot? Now that's scarey. And I was just in one, three each way actually, round trip halfway across the country, last December. > -- > My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask > what you can do for our language. > > Mark Lawrence Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page