Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.036 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'statements': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'advocating': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'discussions': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'least': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'topic': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'maintaining': 0.32; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'i.e.': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'challenging': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'personal': 0.63; 'taking': 0.65; 'hours': 0.66; 'received:204': 0.75; 'article': 0.77; 'along"': 0.84; 'choices.': 0.84; 'demonstrates': 0.84; 'received:204.14': 0.84; 'subject:long': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Deily Subject: Re: flaming vs accuracy [was Re: Performance of int/long in Python 3] Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:23:37 -0700 References: <0b779c80-4f50-4716-8c30-47755c15f304@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> <5153a12d$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5153d313$0$29984$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.14.154.191 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1364502234 news.xs4all.nl 6932 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44648 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:42188 In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > I'd rather this list have some vinegar than it devolve into > uselessness. Or, worse, if there's a hard-and-fast rule about > courtesy, devolve into aspartame... everyone's courteous in words but > hates each other underneath. Or am I taking the analogy too far? :) I think you are positing false choices. No one - at least I'm not - is advocating to avoid challenging false or misleading statements in the interests of maintaining some false "see how well we all get along" facade. The point is we can have meaningful, hard-nosed discussions without resorting to personal insults, i.e. flaming. I think the discussion in this topic over the past 24 hours or so demonstrates that. -- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org