Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.052 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; '"this': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'assignment': 0.07; 'context': 0.07; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'wrote': 0.14; '"in': 0.16; '(phd': 0.16; 'agree.': 0.16; 'record,': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'student': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'looked': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'print': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'affects': 0.24; 'certainly': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'explained': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'reader': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'step': 0.37; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'morning': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'course.': 0.60; 'results.': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'materials': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'soon': 0.63; 'teaching': 0.64; 'teach': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; 'engage': 0.74; 'felt': 0.74; 'walk': 0.74; 'saw': 0.77; 'mistakes.': 0.84; 'step.': 0.91; 'story,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/QtKHCpum4Saz3eW/IC1mS+y1IgCCHCVN3qMl6MrCP0=; b=c9947MdLqDrPMqMdo0yOq6ARkVTlDUsGiqD/Yw+pzcIB/J4Jr1c2FEFTb1K3CIGAqB ER3r8ab9gz/+qz4xsMTnE2vXenrPwJKv9dJ/vaY8R9+OqMIhY7rzXUwowlU0otn9IvUc Gzcu/TxfV16XlTTr5hvAY9sD8CS9LHcu80nqucGz1PiBpDnMmndjyfkzo2tLeZCbu9It SMg2lfgK/A0j++tcVBEw6NZ+BXW5pa8+56bZTb9npaGyaasGxsGif9GKMyOtmfRPCeXC wNpMhN8MQTIauJXzNX7LvNc5sIFpe6bjaBucDO//lomUS4IL1BKiXFuXfKX3DeJyuM3x 2FZw== X-Received: by 10.224.165.133 with SMTP id i5mr3846639qay.11.1386777711509; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 08:01:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:01:42 -0500 From: bob gailer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Angelico Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language References: <201312090824.25211.gheskett@wdtv.com> <52A78F6F.3060507@stoneleaf.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "comp.lang.python" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386777719 news.xs4all.nl 2882 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61590 On 12/11/2013 3:43 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > When you tell a story, it's important to engage the reader from the > start...explain "This is how to print Hello World to the > console" and worry about what exactly the console is (and how > redirection affects it) Highly agree. I was once given FORTRAN course materials and an assignment to teach this course. The first morning was spent on how to construct expressions! No context as to what a program was or what it might do or how to run it. As soon as that class was over I rewrote the materials so the first morning was how to write and run(batch job submission) a program that read a record, did a simple calculation and wrote the results. I certainly felt better about teaching this way. Asides: One student (PhD in Physics) looked at X = X + 1 and said "no it doesn't". Another wrote his first program. I took one look at it and saw the mistakes. I explained how to walk thru the program step by step. He exclaimed "In that much detail?".