Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'filing': 0.07; 'paths': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'project,': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; "he'd": 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'semantics': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'zeppelin': 0.16; 'weird': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'dependent': 0.19; 'small,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'code': 0.31; 'becomes': 0.33; "who's": 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'name': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'led': 0.72; 'fan,': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'song': 0.84; 'whereby': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91; 'wishing': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:53:01 +0000 References: <201312090824.25211.gheskett@wdtv.com> <52A78F6F.3060507@stoneleaf.us> <05fc5a48-576d-4eb9-a714-96df39f0ef1f@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-195-123.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386777182 news.xs4all.nl 2839 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38609 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61589 On 11/12/2013 15:41, rusi wrote: > > When the ten becomes ten-thousand, written by a nut who's left you with > code whose semantics is dependent on weird dependencies and combinatorial > paths through the code you start wishing that > ... he'd not been a Led Zeppelin fan, whereby every variable/module/function name was based on a song title/album name/lyric. Thankfully not on my project, it was a mate's. Code ended up in small, round filing cabinet. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence