Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.chainon-marquant.org!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'languages,': 0.03; '(using': 0.05; 'ide': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'hettinger': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'command-line': 0.09; 'etc).': 0.09; 'interacting': 0.09; 'configure': 0.10; 'fancy': 0.16; 'helps.': 0.16; 'highlighting': 0.16; 'linux)': 0.16; 'students)': 0.16; 'syntax': 0.16; '(i.e.': 0.17; 'language': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'programming': 0.21; 'linux,': 0.21; 'raymond': 0.21; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; '(usually': 0.23; 'path,': 0.23; 'command': 0.24; "i'm": 0.26; '(this': 0.28; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'url:au': 0.31; "i've": 0.31; 'version': 0.32; 'sufficient': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'running': 0.35; '(for': 0.35; 'install': 0.35; 'with.': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.38; '(with': 0.39; 'recommended': 0.39; 'tool': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'background': 0.40; 'received:209': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'personal': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; '2011': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 'e-mail:': 0.62; 'calm': 0.84; 'opinion.': 0.84 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [150.229.131.226] In-Reply-To: <06423dd7-4fbb-4e7a-b529-e697ea862b05@f11g2000yql.googlegroups.com> References: <06423dd7-4fbb-4e7a-b529-e697ea862b05@f11g2000yql.googlegroups.com> From: Ashton Fagg Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:06:33 +1000 Subject: Re: Python education survey To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1324433216 news.xs4all.nl 6930 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:17638 On 20 December 2011 13:51, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Students may not be experienced with the command-line and may be > running Windows, Linux, or Macs. =C2=A0Ideally, the tool or IDE will be > easy to install and configure (startup directory, path, associated > with a particular version of Python etc). I tutor people (usually fellow students) in programming occasionally, and I've always recommended a simple text editor and a command line (this correlates with most languages, not just Python). My personal set up (using Linux) is vim (with line numbers and syntax highlighting) + shell, no matter which language I'm working with. However for people I'm tutoring, particularly if they're new to programming in general and would find vim intimidating, I recommend gedit (for Linux) or Notepad++ (for Windows), executing/compiling from the command line. As long as the text editor has line numbers and syntax highlighting it's sufficient in my book. I don't like obfuscating what's going on in the background (i.e. interacting with the Python/C/ interpreter/compiler/whatever) with a fancy IDE. However that is my personal (strong) opinion. Hope that helps. --=20 Ashton Fagg E-mail: ashton@fagg.id.au Web: http://www.fagg.id.au/~ashton/ Keep calm and call Batman.