Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news-transit.tcx.org.uk!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'hettinger': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'python?': 0.15; '(aka': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cheers,': 0.20; 'raymond': 0.21; 'dec': 0.22; 'obviously': 0.25; 'work,': 0.26; "i'm": 0.26; 'idle': 0.29; 'over.': 0.30; 'least': 0.30; "i've": 0.31; 'does': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.33; 'done': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'combination': 0.37; 'else,': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'run': 0.37; 'page': 0.37; "there's": 0.37; 'not,': 0.37; 'received:128': 0.37; 'open': 0.38; 'configured': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.39; 'tool': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; '2011': 0.61; 'free': 0.64; 'plus': 0.66; 'investment': 0.77 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Fernando Perez Subject: Re: Python education survey Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:40:54 +0000 (UTC) References: <06423dd7-4fbb-4e7a-b529-e697ea862b05@f11g2000yql.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: longs.berkeley.edu User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1324431675 news.xs4all.nl 6840 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46268 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:17636 On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:51:00 -0800, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Do you use IDLE when teaching Python? If not, what is the tool of > choice? I'm obviously biased (I started IPython years ago), but I've done a lot of teaching and I still do like the combination of IPython plus an editor. Sometimes I use IDLE configured to only open the editor and not the shell, but I recommend that users learn a 'real' editor for the long run (aka emacs/vim), as it's an investment that will pay off many times over. But if nothing else, there's at least an OK free editor for each OS that does work, and I keep a 'starter kit' page with those resources for my students: http://fperez.org/py4science/starter_kit.html Cheers, f