Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'received:184.172': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'agree.': 0.16; 'gentle': 0.16; 'lying.': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '"you': 0.24; 'posts': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'correct': 0.29; 'forgot': 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'being': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:173': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'believe': 0.68; 'received:69.56': 0.68; 'us,': 0.73; 'politically': 0.84; 'subject:long': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:12:21 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: flaming vs accuracy [was Re: Performance of int/long in Python 3] References: <0b779c80-4f50-4716-8c30-47755c15f304@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> <5153a12d$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.235]) [173.12.184.235]:56105 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1364451682 news.xs4all.nl 6945 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:42102 On 03/27/2013 08:49 PM, rusi wrote: > In particular "You are a liar" is as bad as "You are an idiot" > The same statement can be made non-abusively thus: "... is not true > because ..." I don't agree. With all the posts and micro benchmarks and other drivel that jmf has inflicted on us, I find it /very/ hard to believe that he forgot -- which means he was deliberately lying. At some point we have to stop being gentle / polite / politically correct and call a shovel a shovel... er, spade. -- ~Ethan~