Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'source.': 0.05; 'defines': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; '"class"': 0.09; 'impose': 0.09; 'propagating': 0.09; 'rolling.': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'programmer': 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'language': 0.14; '"code': 0.16; '"object': 0.16; 'blindly': 0.16; 'confusion': 0.16; 'improper': 0.16; 'transforming': 0.16; 'wielding': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'appears': 0.18; 'define': 0.20; 'written': 0.20; 'bit': 0.21; 'modifying': 0.22; 'idea': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'realize': 0.27; 'separate': 0.27; '(as': 0.27; 'cc:2**2': 0.27; 'words': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'push': 0.30; 'subject: ?': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'problem': 0.33; 'languages': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'thanks': 0.34; 'along': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'possible': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'object': 0.38; 'help': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'high': 0.61; 'more.': 0.62; 'between': 0.63; 'of:': 0.65; 'believe': 0.69; 'everybody': 0.69; 'cc:addr:yahoo.com': 0.71; 'lives': 0.71; 'designers': 0.75; '"just': 0.84; 'bridge,': 0.84; 'refusing': 0.84; 'subject:available': 0.96 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:20:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.196.110.24; posting-account=h3aEwQoAAACiuqX-oR3gvCVFm8lLHoWj References: <1357513931.54941.YahooMailNeo@web125504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 70.196.110.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Over 30 types of variables available in python ? From: Rick Johnson To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "python-list@python.org" , Terry Reedy X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357882386 news.xs4all.nl 6849 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45681 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36602 > On 1-7-2013 2:53:26 AM UTC-6, chaouche yacine wrote: >=20 > Thanks for all your comments. It appears to me that there > is a slight confusion between types and classes then, plus > other entities (protocols ?) The only "confusion" stems from improper terminology. "Class" is the worst = possible word to describe: /"the code written by a programmer to define an = object"/.=20 This epidemic of transforming words improperly is not only a python problem= (as you well know). I believe it is high time we stop designing languages = by propagating foolish terminology simply because we have no will to break = the "status quo".=20 And everybody needs to help push this cause along by refusing to use the wo= rd "class" and only use the words "object definition". This is something we= can all do WITHOUT modifying the python source. This is how you get the sn= owball rolling. However, if we do this for long enough, language designers = will start to realize that "class" is NOT the proper terminology and MAYBE = they will consider terminology a bit more. Well, a boy can dream... We MUST separate the idea of: "an object that lives in memory" from the: "c= ode that defines the object" AND we must do so by wielding intuitive termin= ology.=20 "Just because person X decides to jump off a bridge, that action does not i= mpose person Y to blindly follow"