Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.032 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'message- id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'received:184.172': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'suggest': 0.14; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'behavior,': 0.16; 'did,': 0.16; 'idiocy': 0.16; 'responses.': 0.16; 'troll': 0.16; 'followed': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'initial': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'posts': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'anybody': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'described': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'reflect': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'starting': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'feed': 0.38; 'mine': 0.38; 'somebody': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'reply': 0.66; 'between': 0.67; 'mar': 0.68; 'yes': 0.68; 'received:69.56': 0.68; 'sound': 0.68; 'cold': 0.69; 'therefore': 0.72; 'idiot': 0.84; 'newcomer': 0.84; 'subject:long': 0.84; 'yours': 0.88; 'faced': 0.91; 'relief': 0.91; 'responses': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:18:36 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: flaming vs accuracy [was Re: Performance of int/long in Python 3] References: <0b779c80-4f50-4716-8c30-47755c15f304@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> <5153a12d$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5153a12d$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.235]) [173.12.184.235]:56016 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1364441182 news.xs4all.nl 6874 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56023 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:42076 On 03/27/2013 06:47 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:51:07 +0000, Mark Lawrence defending an > unproductive post flaming a troll: I wouldn't call it unproductive -- a half-dozen amusing posts followed because of Mark's initial post, and they were a great relief from the tedium and (dare I say it?) idiocy of jmf's posts. >> He's not going to change so neither am I. > > "He's a troll disrupting the newsgroup, therefore I'm going to be a troll > disrupting the newsgroup too, so nyah!!!" So long as Mark doesn't start cussing and swearing I'm not going to get worked up about it. I find jmf's posts for more aggravating. >> I also suggest you go and moan at Steven D'Aprano who called the idiot a >> liar. Although thinking about it, I prefer Steven's comment to my own >> as being more accurate. > > Yes I did, I suggest you reflect on the difference in content between > your post and mine, and why yours can be described as abusive flaming and > mine shouldn't be. Mark's post was not, in my not-so-humble opinion, abusive. jmf's (again IMNSHO) was. Your post (Steven's) was possibly more accurate, but Mark's was more amusing, and generated more amusing responses. Clearly, jmf is not going to change his thread-hijacking unicode-whining behavior, whether faced with the cold rational responses or the hotter fed-up responses. So I guess what I'm saying is: Don't Feed The Trolls (Anyone!) ;) Of course, somebody still has to reply so a newcomer doesn't get taken in by him. Has anybody else thought that his last few responses are starting to sound bot'ish? -- ~Ethan~