Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.025 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'nicely': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.08; 'coders': 0.09; 'fixed,': 0.09; 'iac': 0.09; "people's": 0.09; 'used.': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'assumptions': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'merely': 0.16; 'possibly,': 0.16; 'sorts': 0.16; 'ssh': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'coding': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'versions': 0.24; 'environment': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'controlled': 0.31; 'era': 0.31; 'linux.': 0.31; 'protocols': 0.31; "they'll": 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'except': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'doubt': 0.36; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'moving': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'happen': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'secure': 0.71; 'ages': 0.84; 'end.': 0.84; 'hardly': 0.84; 'pre-written': 0.84; 'samba': 0.84; 'smoking': 0.84; 'standards.': 0.84; 'system),': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'acknowledge': 0.93; 'clients,': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=p/mRHGTRebJ9JSdLz882ft9QVXI8zLeT36RplByM7qA=; b=Z7l+mdMicTZspdZFoklWH2Aw0/WmfCOQES7/bJAtB4wpNeczWz2RpDjrr4fEo3CsPb cNUfnBiy7rHxkgl2fH9pnHphwmmcz6nkupJ4FWSObQpOjdWWnC7qsj74uRIb+NssCWCx TGJvVI3jiaUbfzs2c0Xmt8+daFMJCx2U5tmQaGJfdA2UGClGHMSkh2tYTA4D/8+Tnj2Z uhnnccUuGgUFUYx+C8/cDWF4HVa4PIaj3z1HTJrVHCYrd0ZFmd/xxo78xQctvazkgpyd 7Sgo973vVdG28agA+8yD7YXazYT5nTe1gHMmkdY2Atr+VqRhQZPEw/q9b0g7O0TrXD/v 5oEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.66.234 with SMTP id i10mr25411727pat.127.1386653383962; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 21:29:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <264c1144-5d04-4ad0-aa32-f4e6770d210c@googlegroups.com> <2243d31b-f2cb-484a-b6a3-f9f265aa8fd6@googlegroups.com> <78e2bedb-edcb-47ab-a89d-b62d60611481@googlegroups.com> <95f70ade-57a5-4537-85ba-1b612812212f@googlegroups.com> <3c0b48b6-2129-4e36-a455-525d6c2da3dc@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:29:43 +1100 Subject: Re: python programming help From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386653387 news.xs4all.nl 2931 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39944 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61442 On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, wrote: >> Windows-only is hardly the norm. There's at least as much software >> that's Mac-only or Linux-only as Windows-only. > > As much Mac-only software as Windows-only? Possibly, but I doubt > it although I acknowledge things are moving in that direction. > As much Linux-only software as Windows-only? You must be smoking > crack. :-) Or just using Linux. Stuff that runs only on Linux is actually a bit of a problem at times - coders making assumptions about the environment that aren't guaranteed, and merely happen to be correct on all current versions of the Linux kernel. >> And far far more that's >> cross-platform or at least multi-platform. The most important thing is >> interoperability - sometimes that means stuff like Samba (specifically >> written to talk to a "foreign" system), but more often it means coding >> to the pre-written standards. I can write all sorts of TELNET servers >> and clients, and I can be confident that they'll work nicely with >> other people's clients and servers, and that they'll understand each >> other when they say IAC DO NAWS or IAC SB TERMTYPE IS "Gypsum" IAC SE. >> If one of them is buggy, it must be fixed, or it must not be used. > > TELNET? Does any one still use that except perhaps on secure, > controlled legacy intranets? We nuked that and other protocols > of it's era (FTP etc) for ssh and other (more) secure protocols > ages ago. TELNET protocol is the fundamental basis of MUDs. Doesn't mean there's a TELNET server at the other end. ChrisA