Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'see.': 0.07; 'badly': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'suggest': 0.14; 'posted': 0.15; 'filters,': 0.16; 'lisp': 0.16; 'posting,': 0.16; 're-read': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reflects': 0.16; 'resist': 0.16; 'responses.': 0.16; 'sharp': 0.16; 'troll': 0.16; 'discussions': 0.16; 'topics': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'issue,': 0.24; 'url:moin': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'strongly': 0.30; 'especially': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; '-0700,': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'such.': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'thanks!': 0.32; 'weeks': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'ago': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'comment': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'clear': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'forum': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'costs': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'personal': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'design,': 0.64; 'telling': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'mar': 0.68; 'opinions': 0.70; 'enjoy': 0.71; 'friendly': 0.72; 'repeat': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'attacks.': 0.84; 'entertaining': 0.84; 'flame': 0.84; 'idiot': 0.84; 'subject:long': 0.84; 'tolerant': 0.84; 'response,': 0.91; 'urge': 0.91; 'responses': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Performance of int/long in Python 3 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:51:07 +0000 References: <0b779c80-4f50-4716-8c30-47755c15f304@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-18-20-125.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130326-1, 26/03/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1364385073 news.xs4all.nl 6872 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35424 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:42007 On 27/03/2013 01:31, Ned Deily wrote: > In article , > Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 27/03/2013 00:00, Ned Deily wrote: > [...] >>> I repeat the friendly reminder I posted a few weeks ago and I'll be a >>> little less oblique: please avoid gratuitous personal attacks here. It >>> reflects badly on the group and especially on those people making them. >>> We can disagree strongly about technical opinions without resorting to >>> such. >>> >>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:13:16 -0700, I posted: >>>> A friendly reminder that this forum is for general discussion and >>>> questions about Python. >>>> >>>> "Pretty much anything Python-related is fair game for discussion, and >>>> the group is even fairly tolerant of off-topic digressions; there have >>>> been entertaining discussions of topics such as floating point, good >>>> software design, and other programming languages such as Lisp and Forth." >>>> >>>> But ... >>>> >>>> "Rudeness and personal attacks, even in reaction to blatant flamebait, >>>> are strongly frowned upon. People may strongly disagree on an issue, but >>>> usually discussion remains civil. In case of an actual flamebait >>>> posting, you can ignore it, quietly plonk the offending poster in your >>>> killfile or mail filters, or write a sharp but still-polite response, >>>> but at all costs resist the urge to flame back." >>>> >>>> http://www.python.org/community/lists/ >>>> >>>> It's up to all of us to help keep this group/list a place where people >>>> enjoy participating, without fear of gratuitous personal sniping. >>>> Thanks! >> I suggest you spend more time telling the troll that he's a troll and >> less time moaning at me. > > I suggest you re-read the group charter. He may be saying things that > most of us disagree with but he does it without personal attacks. He's > made his position clear and it doesn't seem likely to change. Ignoring, > plonking, or polite responses are all fine responses. Flaming is not. > That's not the kind of group most of us want to see. > He's not going to change so neither am I. I also suggest you go and moan at Steven D'Aprano who called the idiot a liar. Although thinking about it, I prefer Steven's comment to my own as being more accurate. -- If you're using GoogleCrap™ please read this http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython. Mark Lawrence