Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Drowning in a teacup? Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:19:22 -0400 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <1459626868.1382635.566734322.250BAE2A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <570052A9.8040608@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de CO0imSvLMC8mT+0U5DGd1wFx2H9MqHtfmM35x8kqCg6g== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'caller.': 0.09; 'implies': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.212': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.44': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4.27': 0.16; 'received:compute4.internal': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:out3-smtp.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'used,': 0.27; 'this.': 0.28; 'definition': 0.34; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'show': 0.62; 'ethan': 0.91; 'furman': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=KhissFDeA7F+K5esx0ioEexJ+3c=; b=5FuLyC 83fdjbkydg+DN7tCwAn24dvxd3Cp1YxrmlMCLdMVWnXXfuEEZGKT/5ZY7EkmbuNn QojRfBW2gJvBfpyj3q2GxAB+rr0P8cFcYX9HZhCiala4iNSyXiZrXwC/2n66zOQ6 mbaKPzqWVkHQaZvC/2cJ0oCLJaCU/KDrDm1oQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=KhissFDeA7F+K5e sx0ioEexJ+3c=; b=E7E2rZle9OJi6jHh1IJ8mW5CaNysubKifvHcxx1DxPdQG88 ejvuPGcT0INkPBKVV4aVes16GN74/qz3LvBvWfp8Rmcmda6eX+tM65t+jX/1BJRn avp7Z7J4JCqMCEqKVaAFtHzXSzH/NaTFFzwOPU+xIr6z7DFEx0AbI3k0Qob8= X-Sasl-Enc: pM/NM37M6IJr2ZDWcY1AzRrE1Sxd2k6LfxtOdScpLZ2J 1459639162 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-2373d6a1 In-Reply-To: <570052A9.8040608@stoneleaf.us> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106326 On Sat, Apr 2, 2016, at 19:15, Ethan Furman wrote: > Also, if "pass-by-value" is being used, even mutation of the passed > object will not show up in the caller. I disagree. I don't think the definition of pass-by-value implies this.