Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.059 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'languages,': 0.04; 'open-source': 0.04; 'python': 0.09; 'scripting': 0.09; 'index': 0.13; 'language': 0.14; 'declining': 0.16; 'equivalents': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'perception': 0.16; 'rise': 0.16; 'run.': 0.16; 'statement.': 0.16; 'url:drdobbs': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; "i'd": 0.22; 'seems': 0.23; 'thus': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'role': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'guess': 0.27; '"in': 0.29; 'cases.': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'index,': 0.29; 'perl': 0.29; 'searches': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'unlikely': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'communities': 0.30; 'figure': 0.30; 'could': 0.32; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'languages': 0.33; 'especially': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'continue': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'usual': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'google': 0.39; 'short': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'further': 0.61; 'url:index': 0.61; 'dead': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'url:content': 0.66; 'life': 0.66; 'direct': 0.69; 'business': 0.70; '2012.': 0.71; 'steady': 0.71; 'competition': 0.74; 'grow': 0.74; 'funny': 0.78; '19%': 0.84; '2004.': 0.84; 'lease': 0.84; 'much."': 0.84; 'trends,': 0.84; 'water,': 0.84; 'url:php': 0.86; 'careful': 0.91; 'journal': 0.91; 'ranked': 0.97 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at torriefamily.org Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:42:49 -0700 From: Michael Torrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.11) Gecko/20121115 Thunderbird/10.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: RIse and fall of languages in 2012 References: <50ee6c87$0$29898$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <50ee6c87$0$29898$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357846976 news.xs4all.nl 6869 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51438 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36585 On 01/10/2013 12:23 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > "In general-purpose scripting languages, Python continues to grow slowly, > JavaScript and Ruby are treading water, and Perl continues its long > decline. According to Google trends, the number of searches for Perl is > 19% of what it was in 2004. Its declining role in open-source communities > further cements the perception that it's in an irretrievable tailspin. > One should always be careful pronouncing a language dead or dying, > because rare resurrections have occurred: JavaScript and Objective-C > being two stand-out cases. However, Perl is unlikely to see such a new > lease on life because of direct competition from Python, which is > considerably more popular (whereas Objective-C and JavaScript had no > direct equivalents when they came back)." > > http://www.drdobbs.com/jvm/the-rise-and-fall-of-languages-in-2012/240145800 > > > And from the TIOBE Index, Python is steady at number 8: > > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html The TIOBE index is meaningless. Since it's based on google searches, one could probably guess that any language that is awkward and difficult will require more searches to figure out how to use the thing. Thus of course C is top! Especially if ranked by sarcastic queries like, "C sucks," and "why does C suck so much." Javascript is doing much more than just "treading water." Javascript may not be glamorous but it is *the* glue that makes the web run. Funny to see such a reputable journal make such an absurd statement. I can buy that Perl is in a slow decline. Certainly I'd use Python for the same tasks that people used to use Perl for. In short I see no rise and fall of languages in 2012. Seems like business as usual, and the usual suspects continue to get steady use.