Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'attracts': 0.16; 'careers': 0.16; 'employers': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'programmers,': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'command': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'resumes': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'mention': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'absolute': 0.30; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'about.': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'programmers': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'depends': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'major': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'show': 0.63; 'talking': 0.65; 'jobs': 0.68; 'skill': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'to:none': 0.92; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=Q4L+DH2+5SAaypFAVdMzqA1KNoEEUBeUfbF+iPbtq3s=; b=NbLjDbZCo0s4MconSSyBW9w61Dtk8r2A5jptsMtc2X6UezOSK9bw+2i1h1UwRk6ppA yXMme8c4ZdG/xr4I0qMraoo8L2xoGmiycbvlylFjqvY9K1FyMnRZdyVoM7nNsmXVzDhv ZPk10sw5SUIUNiMKLYF2CVhpfwWENxdETaa0hI1zJQUdViM4vTt57dsx+FS0Oyhr+7bh Kq/JC2VSAdY35WAJ6SDUxsIVtfm0o1VKp1MdRhLopc31nl8luDsBFkxMNhho/I+JuUrb RnfwyE1+uTCYF1TloMf0u2EFq9e9a1I9PQAzo7V4DHOHVvigu4zXXGJGll4J3c6oifw1 6WqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.173.132 with SMTP id bk4mr3227546pbc.169.1386606355841; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:25:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 03:25:55 +1100 Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386606365 news.xs4all.nl 2977 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58910 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61396 On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > Not sure what the proves, other than these are the languages people who > are looking for jobs know (or at least claim to know). That's the converse of what I was talking about. Employability of a skill depends on how many employers are looking for that skill; sightings on resumes aren't quite that. But since people will put on their resumes what they think employers will actually care about (mine doesn't mention my ability to use Q-BASIC's CALL ABSOLUTE command to make use of a mouse), they're going to be at least somewhat connected. Of course, it might be that stackoverflow careers attracts Python programmers and something else attracts C programmers, but unless there's some really major skew, I'd say it's still at least somewhat valid to point to that and show that Python matters to employment. ChrisA