Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.030 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'latter': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'scripting': 0.09; 'subset': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'programs.': 0.14; '24,': 0.16; 'agree.': 0.16; 'definition.': 0.16; 'distinct': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'former,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(but': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'replace': 0.24; 'shown': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'programming.': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'included': 0.31; 'subject:development': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'monday,': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'are,': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'same.': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'complete': 0.62; 'term': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'dont': 0.67; '8bit%:40': 0.68; 'programs,': 0.74; 'glad': 0.83; 'treating': 0.84; '8bit%:33': 0.91; 'celebrity': 0.91; 'mistake': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91; 'acknowledge': 0.93; 'url:tk': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Python development tools Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:11:22 +1000 References: <93adcb76-2298-41bb-b5cb-cca525c6be21@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mjiJumXoQb7AZAix8fzvQ9KXe0g= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372115494 news.xs4all.nl 15883 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51948 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49104 rusi writes: > On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:50:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > > Any time someone has shown me a “Python script”, I don't see how > > it's different from what I'd call a “Python program”. So I just > > mentally replace “scripting with “programming”. > > If you are saying that python spans the scripting to programming > spectrum exceptionally well, I agree. I'm saying that “scripting” is a complete subset of “programming”, so it's nonsense to talk about “the scripting-to-programming spectrum”. Scripting is, always, programming. Scripts are, always, programs. (But not vice-versa; I do acknowledge there is more to programming than scripting.) I say this because anything anyone has said to me about the former is always something included already by the latter. So I don't see much need for treating scripts as somehow distinct from programs, or scripting as somehow distinct from programming. Whenever you're doing the former, you're doing the latter by definition. > I dont however think that the two philosophies are the same. See > http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html That essay constrasts “scripting” versus “system programming”, a useful (though terminologically confusing) distinction. It's a mistake to think that essay contrasts “scripting“ versus “programming”. But the essay never justifies its aversion to “programming” as a term for what it's describing, so that mistake is easy to make. -- \ “A celebrity is one who is known by many people he is glad he | `\ doesn't know.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney