Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.199 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.60; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; "it'd": 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'linux': 0.11; 'wrote:': 0.14; '*my*': 0.16; 'forks': 0.16; 'power.': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'worse.': 0.16; 'capture': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; 'users.': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'code': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'personally,': 0.23; 'version': 0.25; 'there.': 0.26; 'chris': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; "doesn't": 0.28; 'developers': 0.28; 'fri,': 0.29; 'yet': 0.30; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; "i've": 0.33; 'worry': 0.33; 'using': 0.34; 'requires': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'that,': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'widely': 0.35; 'getting': 0.36; 'think': 0.36; "we're": 0.37; 'some': 0.37; 'should': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'ways': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'current': 0.38; 'completely': 0.38; 'explain': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'whatever': 0.39; 'windows.': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'care.': 0.60; 'best': 0.60; 'hand': 0.61; 'choose': 0.61; 'perfect': 0.62; '2011': 0.62; 'sites': 0.62; 'browser': 0.64; 'safe': 0.65; 'share': 0.67; 'care': 0.67; 'life.': 0.71; 'subject:Free': 0.72; 'want,': 0.72; 'market.': 0.74; 'flash': 0.84; '12:09': 0.84; 'battery': 0.84; 'browsers,': 0.84; 'received:209.85.210.174': 0.84; 'received:mail- iy0-f174.google.com': 0.84; 'regarded': 0.84; 'standard,': 0.84; 'steaming': 0.84; 'browsers': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Y/0oobdXYOMXrWWhldM0r8heUk5UUWVg4UYiBe/Ka+k=; b=bhuHWFCjW9ogBa75CnaRyTJOGxpbyH1xFi/v5W++E4Va62yrPlveubNNAB6QvXAX9A hTJumTT1Zn3x64zInrh7TnMcJpN6Mmp3IFDHCDYVG4nh/lSeGHrpAO5kJtUi9F7W2F34 6jWqyeKgMPvHS01v7zvUI4zqiT5QJ3M16jeXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NBnE0ICYo3bayjUBTATUKHWJ2HIMyn214ZYwa2xiQ0Ljxu7xyhAXlO3IprhR+qXfPh iBm3TYYRGzsaVsPtd+222I0aU4OholRO0BWcQ6JiaiHXs0gBGTgHpEWc8FgNoWTFT6SF XU4YZ6SxP1Kg8102vAIDsGBylml5O+c2PM2mE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4da7a8f5$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da0f1e1$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da6fe5e$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da7a8f5$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:31:28 +1000 Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302834693 news.xs4all.nl 41117 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:45794 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3234 On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Personally, I think it is *good* that there is a plurality of browsers in > the market. In my perfect world, no single browser should capture more > than 20% share of users. In *MY* perfect world, choice of browser should be completely up to the user, and web developers should not have to care. You code to the standard, safe in the knowledge that all your users are going to have standards-compliant browsers, and you don't care whether some of them are on Chrome, some on Firefox, some on IE, some on Opera, and some on TwoCansPieceString. And users know that they can choose whatever browser gives them the features they want, without having to worry about whether other sites will fail. We're getting close to that, but we're not yet there. > That doesn't explain Javascript or Flash. Both are popular *despite* > being unreliable and inefficient. The Flash plugin is widely regarded as > a steaming heap of unreliable crap even on Windows. Its reputation on > Linux is even worse. I've tried my hand at writing Flash code. If its next version requires that developers stab themselves with rusty forks and code using their own blood, I think it'd be an improvement over the current one. And from the other end... leaving Flash sites up in my browser is one of the best ways to destroy my battery life. It sucks... power. Chris Angelico