Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'encoding': 0.05; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.08; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'whatever.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'archive': 0.14; 'language.': 0.14; 'random': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'guru': 0.16; 'mailing-list': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'triangle': 0.16; 'us-ascii': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'looked': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'char': 0.24; 'headers': 0.24; 'mention': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'dec': 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'becomes': 0.33; 'beginning': 0.33; 'monday,': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'december': 0.35; 'except': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'good.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'shows': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'searching': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'button': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'is.': 0.60; 'full': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'reach': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'email addr:yahoo.com': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'sound': 0.68; 'hour': 0.70; 'respect': 0.70; 'click': 0.77; '"reply"': 0.84; 'bullying,': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'subject:base': 0.84; 'dozen': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: interactive help on the base object Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:44:48 +0000 References: <52a52b98$0$2762$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <52a5441e$0$2762$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <182d6303-4095-45ce-9b69-04de33e058af@googlegroups.com> <1ef797ae-3439-46b5-842e-61e17135d9bf@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-207-92.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386582307 news.xs4all.nl 2841 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47934 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61376 On 09/12/2013 06:44, rusi wrote: > On Monday, December 9, 2013 10:56:28 AM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On 12/08/2013 09:46 PM, rusi wrote: >>> On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:46:30 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>>> On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 18:58:09 -0800, rusi wrote: >>> [...] >>>> Does GG not give you some way of inspecting the post's full headers? >>> Well I spent half hour looking around -- both inside GG and of course >>> searching before asking. > >> If you click on the little "down" triangle to the right >> of the "reply" button for a message, you'll get a menu >> that includes "Show Original". You can see the headers >> including the "Content-Type:" in that original. > > Thanks rurpy -- I only looked for how one may set and not just what is. > > So now I look at my own post in GG and see > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > So far so good. > > However when I point firefox at my own post in the archive > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-December/662015.html > > firefox shows encoding as Windows-1252. > > Note Ive looked at a dozen random pages and for all FF shows encoding as > utf-8 except the python list archive ones which show as Win 1252 > > Note looking into the html I see > > > How us-ascii becomes Win-1252 is outside the reach of my meagre intelligence! > > Though I still suspect something is not quite right with the python > mailing-list and/or archive in respect of char encodings. > > [Am I beginning to sound like jmf is my guru :-) ] > I'd mention that I never seem to have a problem using Thunderbird on Windows 7, but I won't as I don't want to be accused of bullying, hating GG, or whatever. Doh!!! :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence