Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'suppose': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.08; 'insertion': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'denying': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'said.': 0.16; 'sees': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(the': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'posts': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'url:edu': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; '[1]': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'claiming': 0.31; 'fault': 0.31; 'responded': 0.31; 'tool': 0.35; 'etc': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'choosing': 0.36; 'list.': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'gone': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'here': 0.66; 'news': 0.67; 'between': 0.67; 'frequently': 0.68; 'readers': 0.68; 'obvious': 0.74; 'paper': 0.75; 'hand': 0.80; 'stamp': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=b7oyc1JeesaVMOesv8HMqajfXa0q7UfU+4g3TG0trAk=; b=S9R3fGexFpODqJFcbQaL5LaWHv0I/yW0idrpaoe6T6TKiP2I3NhoecD4cw836EZKKX 7DbHvdXF2C9JplDYnjGD3iHI7kvPaUn79BrtX2JRCkXeLBdRLSZdwh3HLrempmc0a2Z9 9LdIknMlVvGwEfHJTm42qK4Gt1xicp864tCGdS25ly24AJ2e+gQjiaCDXVNinEBtoScF gyHrSgWNGYRWOceuNenH2oNinyy4T9kCWGoWJZH8c6igSZDxS/vQftn5m/3gVCMdpNgD 2Tg3J6djVmpatD7DqGjoWs8nDD6rJDBfMqqGDKTf6WePtnoAN7j4GAS+sQDsVH8Xedf9 eyXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.248.33 with SMTP id yj1mr19091696pbc.45.1386575857989; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:57:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8ed4b168-7a45-4476-9078-080c43f4c1f1@googlegroups.com> References: <264c1144-5d04-4ad0-aa32-f4e6770d210c@googlegroups.com> <2243d31b-f2cb-484a-b6a3-f9f265aa8fd6@googlegroups.com> <78e2bedb-edcb-47ab-a89d-b62d60611481@googlegroups.com> <95f70ade-57a5-4537-85ba-1b612812212f@googlegroups.com> <8ed4b168-7a45-4476-9078-080c43f4c1f1@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:57:37 +1100 Subject: Re: python programming help From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386575861 news.xs4all.nl 2953 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60591 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61367 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM, wrote: > However it does not change the fact that people here have responded > in rather extreme way to GG posts including calling GG users "twits" > and claiming GG posts damage their eyesight, as well as repeatedly > denying the obvious fact that GG is much easier to use for many than > to subscribe to a usenet provider or to a mailing list. One frequently > sees words like "crap", "slimy", "rubbish" etc to describe GG posts > which is pretty intimating to people who just want some help with a > python question using a tool they already know how to use and have > had no complaints about in other places. Please note though that there is a difference between describing the users as twits and describing the posts as slimy. Suppose you write a letter (the sort that goes on a slab of dead tree) and, instead of placing it in an envelope and putting a stamp on it, you hand it to the Arac News Insertion Device[1] to do the enveloping for you. He does a reasonable job of it, but he uses cobwebs instead of paper for the envelope. Sure, it's still readable... but your readers now have to rub off a whole lot of cobwebs before they can read what you said. That makes your post distasteful, without it being at all your fault - other than choosing to use Arac's service. That's how I see Google Groups posts. Someone's gone looking for help about Python and has found that. It's not their fault that they don't know about alternatives; so I point out the alternatives. ChrisA [1] http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/princess_ida/webop/pi_04.html On the whole we are Not intelligent...