Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.065 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.01; 'motivated': 0.05; 'encouraging': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.08; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'buggy': 0.16; 'bugs.': 0.16; 'dislike': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'stats': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'dec': 0.30; 'see,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; 'too.': 0.31; 'reduced': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'corporation,': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'reports': 0.37; 'system,': 0.38; 'gmail': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'read': 0.60; 'providing': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'companies': 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'services': 0.66; 'fact,': 0.69; 'impressions': 0.84; 'invested': 0.84; 'penalty': 0.84; 'usage.': 0.84; 'hate': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'political': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=DoqVmfbSfQbtCQBB/dvxfeWwxeWaLBq44+fot1OSU9U=; b=0287rdHjdlf4nkKmf0YKTQFaXYwyM2EgPNrOjGahum/dgkaibt/Qhujs1I6PI9YwFB JajXfRxCeAfgZS4mNPLTzxVwWxwbtR5DfAwg9wDEDAHDsCXYQTk2H3Uq8mOviYiRz7Kk 1JWW9G4qXCb/kcwQjXiOwHsBkqoiCuy1Xk9h4eGqqcX+gXH9CQDnnSQiXnTpzJ9aafD6 zz7W/p1IRHMeeM0JJqJ5jSEnMhQPRF6q6crOALZbwUZIFshbFXNx+NBFzq1qpfSLNU3o fyaqI99Mz3AHVfjxz+0w/JPQ6vd0BqnCRk4Fufx6V6j6w2QXIz8VeNH1rlpE09DWO250 yLzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.196.193 with SMTP id io1mr18209855pbc.46.1386558355657; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 19:05:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <95f70ade-57a5-4537-85ba-1b612812212f@googlegroups.com> References: <264c1144-5d04-4ad0-aa32-f4e6770d210c@googlegroups.com> <2243d31b-f2cb-484a-b6a3-f9f265aa8fd6@googlegroups.com> <78e2bedb-edcb-47ab-a89d-b62d60611481@googlegroups.com> <95f70ade-57a5-4537-85ba-1b612812212f@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 14:05:55 +1100 Subject: Re: python programming help From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386558363 news.xs4all.nl 2831 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61353 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:08 AM, wrote: > I suspect many > of them are motivated by political dislike of Google as > a corporation, or want to stay with the 1990's technology > they invested time in learning and don't want see change. Neither. I don't at all hate Google (I quite like the company, and what it's done for the world), and I use plenty of other Google services - as you can see, I'm posting from gmail here. The only thing I call out against is Google Groups, because it is buggy. I'll cry out against anything else that's buggy, too. Of course, I'll first try to do things quietly (bug reports to the maintainers), but ultimately, the solution to buggy software is to NOT USE IT. If Google doesn't care enough about Groups to bring it up to the standard, then their penalty has to be reduced usage. In fact, Rurpy, you are actually encouraging the faulty system, because you're providing ad impressions and usage stats every time you read or write via GG. When less-buggy systems see more use than more-buggy systems, big companies have an incentive to fix bugs. ChrisA