Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.01; 'badly': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'mostly': 0.14; 'changes': 0.15; '24,': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'lookups': 0.16; "object's": 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'more': 0.64; 'bar)': 0.84; 'hand,': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=QCu9ry42QK9L+B25kEpt14B+Qtnp5vsFWh307x7hzmo=; b=fOQo6W1VhNQ2IvaXe+WJ2vuFDgbilYlpWwzDazgXSPfwcI/euQXbBoj9kvQl/jApoG d+4Z35izw92Y6f6PMmB06xhh+Vk0AglsM0MBY4WKOwGEjOxAFsLQpmBaTcZmW323LBub +vs3oDySERkT7OD7JC9ERQt8YLgj16OyWH8k0HBkeramtyLfsVJoAwA9fSc8p694Y/ml kjTQEz8gmuIwg5pPsCZicblFSTy0Rvj8huCkRVRPr8MoYrUh3USKRh4C+b8pFLaHvdiv MwZ+1dZ13sFSsDnQEWY+fuZss14Nf5yFq7dEmgwMGOnGMCmwbWUkXQVGM2ly/Zj4LcNY vnOg== X-Received: by 10.66.138.49 with SMTP id qn17mr402790pab.208.1372094853656; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:27:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <15ba0011-bbf1-42f7-b3ea-1c1d4b70e56b@googlegroups.com> <51c66962$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20130623133546.GA2308@capricorn> <51c723b4$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51c73229$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51c74373$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:26:52 -0600 Subject: Re: What is the semantics meaning of 'object'? To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372095166 news.xs4all.nl 15868 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49644 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49058 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Mark Janssen wrote: >>> Mostly I'm saying that super() is badly named. >> >> What else would you call a function that does lookups on the current >> object's superclasses? > > ^. You make a symbol for it. ^__init__(foo, bar) On the one hand, eww. On the other hand, with the changes to super in Python 3 to make it more magical, it might as well be syntax.