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Thread-Index: AQHNf3UktXpWIDDzxk2FlW8vEsE0Mpdn54hg Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:53:35 +0000 References: <4e0060a6-5cd5-455c-a151-80df9509255d@googlegroups.com> <9msbg9-dop.ln1@satorlaser.homedns.org> In-Reply-To: <9msbg9-dop.ln1@satorlaser.homedns.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.67.79.47] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP-FWD: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1345816435 news.xs4all.nl 6893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45882 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:27796 Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:=0D=0A> A good tool would reduce the effort and guide= users, like e=2Eg=2E giving=0D=0A> them a hint if they leave the whole mai= l they're replying to as copy=2E=0D=0A> Several corporate email solutions (= like MS Outlook/Exchange) put very=0D=0A> little emphasis on communication = efficiency but only on eye-candy=0D=0A> features=2E Their popularity and th= e resulting influence on people has=0D=0A> caused decay in average communic= ation culture, and that is what I blame=0D=0A> them for=2E=0D=0A=0D=0ATrue,= but it is by no means impossible or very difficult=2E It just requires=0D= =0Asome effort=2E I blame the user more and the software less because of qu= otes =0D=0Alike below=2E=0D=0A=0D=0A[ Not Ulrich ]=0D=0A> GMail uses top-po= sting by default=2E =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A[ Back to Ulrich ]=0D=0A> BTW: You om= itted the attribution line for the text you quoted, whom do=0D=0A> you blam= e for that? That said, "Nonsense" is a strong enough word to=0D=0A> start a= flamewar=2E=2E=2E not nice=2E=0D=0AFair enough=2E I typically leave off at= tribution because I would rather=0D=0Ato discuss things with quotes instead= of he-said and she-said=2E The=0D=0Afocus should be on the idea/conversati= on and less about attributing=0D=0A"blame" to someone (and it is invariably= more often negative attribution=0D=0Athan positive)=2E If attribution is p= referred, I suppose I could always =0D=0Aadd it back in=2E Ironically, this= is one of the things I wish Outlook=0D=0Awas better about=2E=0D=0A=0D=0ARa= mit=0D=0A=0D=0AThis email is confidential and subject to important disclaim= ers and=0D=0Aconditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of=0D= =0Asecurities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses,=0D=0Aconf= identiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers,=0D=0Aavailable = at http://www=2Ejpmorgan=2Ecom/pages/disclosures/email=2E