Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'syntax': 0.04; 'iterate': 0.09; 'shame': 0.09; 'assume': 0.14; '"new': 0.16; 'constructs': 0.16; 'expression,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'loops': 0.16; 'sequence:': 0.16; 'suite.': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'example': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'exists': 0.24; 'forming': 0.24; 'logical': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'lot.': 0.31; 'subject:end': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'regular': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'sequence': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'itself': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'full': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; '30,': 0.65; 'line,': 0.68; 'skip:w 30': 0.69; 'repeat': 0.74; 'proves': 0.84; 'sometimes.': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dTLBNBxdCgsl3yg2iLqn/it35Z8W+BUGdJ1vZ3vRl6I=; b=DsGzVD9wqxmQXKBCxHoqnfCSutlSjqCR6NxXWmYyCULn5ou2VXfzyKnl9xK3E0PGHw DGgtC5xVztRzj5gNp48sXsXgt//kxSSKJbOBXB2KdjS2X0Z30d+ptTSkCnAv8SA+LcPL aCeJPZKIg38Mmg2a0MrZG9hoKVQQTAi1/H5sO4J7aGf5xiNmDERZuvOWAsr9LZ1MNFmn JptC83dG27McK+pn9nt5JXebfKTCMMPSzUz6oHB06kibLDUhbvS8YW+6W6Yxj049gnOq 8V6iCfu6a2BxjY3Vheex2PhC1KwuzjNM49Hwp18RgmZEU7fmH2NJ4/6rv54SPKwUcy7T eWHQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.100.234 with SMTP id fb10mr5179162veb.5.1377816612860; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:50:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7wob8gywds.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <1377735506.18906.15.camel@debian> <1FETt.52607$Mw4.14965@fx15.am4> <7wob8gywds.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:50:12 +1000 Subject: Re: semicolon at end of python's statements From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1377816621 news.xs4all.nl 15905 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56971 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:53263 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Ben Finney wr= ote: > F=E1bio Santos writes: > >> It is a shame that this is not possible in python. for..if exists in >> comprehensions and not in regular loops but that would be nice >> sometimes. > > So you use it in a generator expression, and iterate over the generator: > > for foo in (spam for spam in sequence if predicate(spam)): > process(spam) > > That way, there's no need for new syntax. That works for the specific example of a for loop (and proves that it's logical and sensible to iterate over part of a loop). But how many times has something similar come up - like the while-loop-that-retains-its-value suggestion a while ago? Sometimes, the only "new syntax" required is a weakening of the rule that one thing goes on one line, and then the syntax is simply two block constructs forming a single loop header. Also, the genexp version you have above seems to repeat itself a lot. I'd write that as simply: for spam in sequence: if predicate(spam): process(spam) though of course, if the processing is a single function call, there are other ways to lay it out. But assume that the processing is a full suite. ChrisA