Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.109.133.84.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'attribute': 0.05; 'reject': 0.05; 'say,': 0.05; 'variables.': 0.07; '*is*': 0.09; 'complicate': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'aug': 0.13; 'dislike': 0.16; 'driscoll': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:Objects': 0.16; 'thu,': 0.17; 'object.': 0.22; 'defined': 0.22; '(this': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'name?': 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'url:home': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'subject:]': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'object': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'qualified': 0.60; '(that': 0.62; 'respect': 0.63; 'realized': 0.71; 'absolutely': 0.84; '*really*': 0.84; 'partially': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Variables vs names [was: Objects in Python] Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:52:35 -0400 Organization: > Bestiaria Support Staff < References: <87d32i1ntc.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <5035d3e4$0$1645$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <50366ec8$0$6574$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <503682E0.4060807@cs.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-24-126.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1345765945 news.xs4all.nl 6903 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59624 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:27770 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:22:08 -0500, Evan Driscoll declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > > Incidentally, I also realized another reason I don't like the 'names' > description. Take 'foo.bar'. (That is, the 'bar' attribute in object > 'foo'.) Is 'foo.bar' a name? I'm not sure what the 'names' proponents > would say, but to me both answers are problematic. I *really* dislike a > 'no' answer because to me, 'foo.bar' absolutely *is* a name for the > corresponding object. (This terminology has precedent.) But a 'yes' > answer, if you also reject 'variable', means you no longer have an > agreed-upon term for the names that are defined in the current scope -- > and such a term is a really good thing to have! (I know, let's > call them variables. :-)) > Let me complicate that... It is a fully qualified name when one wishes to work with the entirety of the object the name is bound to... It is a partially qualified name with respect to any sub-components of that object. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/