Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'languages.': 0.04; 'syntax': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'matches': 0.07; 'integers': 0.09; 'width': 0.09; 'wrapper': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '(actually': 0.16; 'behave': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'numpy': 0.16; 'rounding': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'truncation': 0.16; 'unsigned': 0.16; 'index': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'issue,': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'class.': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'signed': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '-0700,': 0.31; 'ctypes': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'there.': 0.32; 'style': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'rather': 0.38; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'march': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'complete': 0.62; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'mar': 0.68; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'presumably': 0.84; 'subject:long': 0.84; 'discovering': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=nJihtTd2nv5o/bqwH7ieTlwZC0h2P8jPsaBQz1ef07o=; b=EG15FNUX47YUA+rK21kwEqUjMsHyCFXyh5jffi13xzO4lcYfJOuKQUMnfFmUzs6vBg N/syHGDb6Pv7986XeuTlMSFOwA2BeIG9t2XPPafNASrcSahuPKbJqPWe6xDbnQGQUlna F6/NcMDvbg6T5a7suHH9j4QkTdXEpNv2geJboequxVjuVHCWf3jUq8KfttghX1uT6mdZ IEcy1xlCzea6raEtKNZQKTCmXfv/HGsrujsBHbXTNnelB9vUh15uChS+HkiI8x5+I3Fz S7k4+GApnVhN0kZUxNOCNaZqeWJ8GR4w18Rjp242ImsC6TBwM1QwEz9Mf2fNbF9L9OxX JuLQ== X-Received: by 10.58.144.133 with SMTP id sm5mr18441603veb.23.1364259002953; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:50:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5150e900$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <5150e900$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Oscar Benjamin Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:49:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Performance of int/long in Python 3 To: "Steven D'Aprano" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1364259012 news.xs4all.nl 6881 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52671 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:41842 On 26 March 2013 00:17, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:16:05 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: > [snip] >> If you're working with >> numbers, and speed is an issue, you really should be using one of the >> numeric or scientific packages out there. > [snip] > What I would like to see though is a module where I can import fixed- > width signed and unsigned integers that behave like in C, complete with > overflow, for writing code that matches the same behaviour as other > languages. Numpy can do this: >>> import numpy >>> a = numpy.array([0], numpy.uint32) >>> a array([0], dtype=uint32) >>> a[0] = -1 >>> a array([4294967295], dtype=uint32) Unfortunately it doesn't work with numpy "scalars", so to use this without the index syntax you'd need a wrapper class. Also it uses Python style floor rounding rather than truncation as in C (actually I seem to remember discovering that in C this is implementation defined). Presumably ctypes has something like this as well. Oscar