Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Python 2 vs Python 3 for teaching Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:03:19 +1100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <87y4ehzeli.fsf@nightsong.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de ZeEKv4sOHXwgfMBxKBqEjA7REmZibA7Bl87k+yOw/C0w== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'async': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'hmm.': 0.16; 'received:209.85.223.173': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; "ubuntu's": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'cloud': 0.20; 'am,': 0.23; 'decide': 0.23; '(or': 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'bigger': 0.23; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'paul': 0.24; 'chris': 0.26; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'then.': 0.27; "i'm": 0.30; "we're": 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'probably': 0.31; 'older': 0.32; 'maybe': 0.33; 'ubuntu': 0.33; '(for': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'could': 0.35; 'done': 0.35; 'appearance': 0.35; 'nov': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'keyword': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'anything': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'needing': 0.63; 'safe': 0.63; 'improvements': 0.66; "they're": 0.66; 'us,': 0.69; 'teach': 0.70; '3.4': 0.84; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=rXkAvDgdx7TEpmL9WsW35DeXCIxt8qgYvGTGp3+/u8M=; b=w6gO7WKJ5jdzqX4X+99P4gOI5aAYQ3BL2NZsZPe0Na/U1sSZhTZcuThXTf1Qd+/ocA Ln/A06bv0QvxuJzeHEeWc98EElb45EfYSoG0HJM4dN6L5gAj7OUSevz1p5Ng5CrCdNY+ 763Uu1AJXc6/kZR6ruB30F9rBE4nGtpnHYfULjQ9rVHl2RbDMwW9ZW4erRGUWC3B7aUY DIsWzMkOc/t/opqZQqqucGsJkl0+L1UyY4nvQ4uBe6jwacktlH+R2BhNOEaojqVJwcNx 5uZUSQF4aUFmENHriEDqhUQjrcGgeMnX/Y9kJBkqjIarP3iHPgGIFEYi7LW9olndDr/e zz6w== X-Received: by 10.107.10.210 with SMTP id 79mr19707290iok.31.1446415399455; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 14:03:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87y4ehzeli.fsf@nightsong.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:98067 On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Chris Angelico writes: >> We teach 3.4 (because that's what's available on the Ubuntu VMs that >> we're recommending; anything 3.2+ will probably work just the same), >> and that's it. > > The async keyword seems like one of Py3's bigger improvements and it > makes its appearance in 3.5, iirc. Yeah. Not currently available to us, since we're recommending (for consistency) that students use the Cloud 9 browser-based IDE, but I'm sure when Ubuntu's next LTS comes out, it'll include 3.5 (or maybe 3.6), so we'll start using that then. Taking advantage of new features can be done as we decide they're safe to use, without needing any backward compatibility breaks (apart from, of course, the async/await code not working on older Pythons). Hmm. Maybe this should be a workshop... that could be fun. ChrisA