Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'mrab': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'memory.': 0.07; 'permitted': 0.07; 'bytes,': 0.09; 'bytes.': 0.09; 'lines.': 0.09; 'whatever.': 0.09; 'wrote': 0.14; 'mostly': 0.14; '8-bit': 0.16; 'bits.': 0.16; 'instruction,': 0.16; 'likewise': 0.16; 'processor,': 0.16; 'words.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'obviously': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'server,': 0.19; 'fit': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'select': 0.22; 'manual': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'bytes': 0.24; 'processor': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'mode': 0.30; 'said,': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'went': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'says': 0.33; 'addresses': 0.33; 'bus': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'architecture': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'dave': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'address': 0.63; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'believe': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'therefore': 0.72; 'banks': 0.74; 'bank': 0.76; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; 'angel': 0.91 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:12:54 -0500 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python Worst Practices References: <7053A277-9687-49B0-9FDB-CB4DB3E76DEC@gmail.com> <54F0E38D.40006@davea.name> <54f274bb$0$13011$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54F3C3FF.3040608@mrabarnett.plus.com> <54F3EBF5.3030701@davea.name> <54F459DE.8020706@mrabarnett.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <54F459DE.8020706@mrabarnett.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:oEmfrpIu3f/QUq/2xOpnc2kt19lgsI7Iq/N6pDNzuLs hjIFBLbaJRLS25mDRLZmNboc4iBvTbzpFK9GF7U1rJx+vuKg71 ZVA9ceN8KQAALte07CzLlev5CSq9xgnpaPX8R6c4terXnM6wxC GkiJsLpRxlWxgTc+9/kCy16CISzYgLuIJCJH7twTnrMDkzM3bZ IiWo5hyvrmw2VT32giBNc7NSdmWRELhCwYEUkio//hp8IQ2YNz yf8P6JhJP3m8/LS+tKpuMBcvqAZEywQHKTuBlrYqmb/bVHrXOv 3OmGBWwcoYtcnOkkdorV3OJ4MkYQz3ohOsPM0dZ2J7orC+wuOT GopEvUYx53VefLAnRui0= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425301988 news.xs4all.nl 2897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42337 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86733 On 03/02/2015 07:38 AM, MRAB wrote: > On 2015-03-02 04:49, Dave Angel wrote: >> On 03/01/2015 08:59 PM, MRAB wrote: >>> On 2015-03-02 01:37, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote >>>> >> >> The 16 bit address bus permitted addressing of 64k words. On most >> processors, that was 64k bytes, though I know one Harris had no bytes, >> but every memory access was 16 bits. It therefore had the equivalent of >> 128k bytes. Likewise I believe some of the DEC and DG minis had 128k >> bytes of addressability. >> > I have (or had, not sure where it is!) a manual of the TMS9900 > processor, and I'm sure it addresses 64k _bytes_. > > Wikipedia says "65,536 bytes or 32,768 words". > Like I said, on most processors, it was 64k bytes. interestingly enough I know of one architecture which used 128k for the 8-bit Z80, even though that processor only had 16 address lines. Being a server, the code was mostly static, and fit in 64k. But they also wanted 64k for data. So they used one of the processor status lines as a select between two banks of memory. When the processor was fetching an instruction, it got it from bank 0, while if it was fetching or writing data, it went to bank 1. Obviously they had a mode where it read and wrote from bank 0 as data, both for bootstrapping, and for overlays or whatever. -- DaveA