Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Dennis Lee Bieber Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [beginner] What's wrong? Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 12:31:45 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <99234e90-fcd4-4a05-b97f-b47228dde20c@googlegroups.com> <1459571270.714249.566352882.6ADCD0CC@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fnCFhZy5oNqcNNpjCRlAvgZoWOgsGjio6r9WGLhEQZ2w== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'counting': 0.07; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; '(but': 0.15; 'folks': 0.15; 'subsequent': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; '3:27': 0.16; '999': 0.16; '>on': 0.16; 'astronomical': 0.16; 'condense': 0.16; 'numbering': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'stack)': 0.16; 'subject:beginner': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'integer': 0.18; 'url:home': 0.18; '(in': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; '(on': 0.22; 'defined': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.23; 'long,': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'earlier': 0.27; 'define': 0.27; 'fri,': 0.27; '17th': 0.29; 'era': 0.29; 'long.': 0.29; 'pile': 0.29; 'starts': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'system,': 0.30; 'older': 0.32; 'michael': 0.33; "i'll": 0.33; 'schedule': 0.34; 'behind': 0.35; 'trouble': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; '(and': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'means': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; 'goes': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'entire': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; '2000': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'story': 0.65; 'country.': 0.67; 'talking': 0.67; 'industry': 0.70; 'records': 0.70; 'suited': 0.72; 'discover': 0.73; '2001.': 0.84; 'humans': 0.84; 'millennium': 0.84; 'recall,': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'forgotten': 0.91; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-73-119-154.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106294 On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:15:36 +1100, Chris Angelico declaimed the following: >On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Random832 wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016, at 19:29, Michael Selik wrote: >>> Humans have always had trouble with this, in many contexts. I remember >>> being annoyed at folks saying the year 2000 was the first year of the new >>> millennium, rather than 2001. They'd forgotten the Gregorian calendar >>> starts from AD 1. >> >> Naturally, this means the first millennium was only 999 years long, and >> all subsequent millennia were 1000 years long. (Whereas "millennium" is >> defined as the set of all years of a given era for a given integer k >> where y // 1000 == k. How else would you define it?) >> >> And if you want to get technical, the gregorian calendar starts from >> some year no earlier than 1582, depending on the country. The year >> numbering system has little to do with the calendar type - your >> assertion in fact regards the BC/AD year numbering system, which was >> invented by Bede. >> >> The astronomical year-numbering system, which does contain a year zero >> (and uses negative numbers rather than a reverse-numbered "BC" era), and >> is incidentally used by ISO 8601, was invented by Jacques Cassini in the >> 17th century. >> > >Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure these folks were already talking about BC. Bede's BC/AD goes back to circa 700AD. It is the use of negative years for astronomical counting that is circa 1650AD > >http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/holybook/quotes/YK.html And that I'll take as something suited for the first of April... It's almost on par with an old story (in Asimov's I think) on why the pyramids were behind schedule -- among other things, the pile of government mandated documentation, on clay tablets of course, was becoming larger than the pyramid being built; the older records (on the bottom of the stack) were decomposing from the pressure, etc. If I recall, they discover cuneiform as more condense than hieroglyphics, and then learn of papyrus/ink (but then have to support an entire industry of workers to transcribe the old clay tablets...) -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/